Utilizing HoldemResources Calculator for MTTs
Posted by Stephen Chidwick
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Thank you very much Stephen, cleared up a lot on how to use it and I am sure I will use it every session now just like yourself. Thanks again, keep em coming!
Stevie great vid, thanks. In situations similar to the one vs Dark C, where you're the opener and facing a rejam for say 75% of your stack or more, how much are you taking into your tourney life into consideration when deciding on some of the closer +ev calls? IE lets say you're in drk C's shoes and you open JTs, and you're facing what is a clear 33% rejam for close to your entire stack. JTs is a +ev call, but feels super icky to call off with most of your stack on the line. Especially earlyish in tournaments are you just taking all of these spots and calling? Sorry i know this is a loaded question.
Hey Joseph, glad you enjoyed it. Many factors go into how much of an edge you should be willing to pass up. Earlyish in tournaments with little to no ICM considerations I try not to pass up many of these edges at all, especially in a hyper turbo like this. The softer the tournament and the slower the structure and the deeper you are the more you should be willing to pass up edges but I tend to err on the side of not passing them up since I'm really uncertain about the actual effect future equity has.
Does the computer calculation take in to account card removal by using the shoving ranges of the other players, or does it just ignore this aspect?
Hey WeKnowEverything, good question. I am unsure of the answer but I would guess this is not taken into account as it would be such a huge amount of extra calculation.
I always assumed it took card removal into account because the reshove ranges in so many simulations are so Ax heavy. Truth is somewhere in between apparently. From the HEM Resources website:
"Direct" card removal effects are correctly handled. This means that the calling/over-calling players hand distributions are correctly modified given the pushers/callers ranges.
However, no modifications to starting-hand distributions are made due to folding. e.g.: If 3 players fold in front, the 4th player's starting hand distribution is still assumed to be perfectly random. In reality, the 4th player probably has significantly more Aces in this situation.
Are card removal effects correctly considered?
"Direct" card removal effects are correctly handled. This means that the calling/over-calling players hand distributions are correctly modified given the pushers/callers ranges.
However, no modifications to starting-hand distributions are made due to folding. e.g.: If 3 players fold in front, the 4th player's starting hand distribution is still assumed to be perfectly random. In reality, the 4th player probably has significantly more Aces in this situation.
Makes sense, I noticed that as well. I have even come across situations with the r/f sims where you should open for example A4o but not A4s because they are reshoving A4s and you block an extra combo.
did you call or fold with the KQs 3 handed in the step six and did you get your seat? wanted to see the sweat
I folded and won the seat =)
I have been using this app quite a while now and love it. I have never used FGS and am still a bit unclear on this topic. What I have been trying to work out since I have been using HRC is how much of a +cEV edge we should want at different stack depths. For one example: If villain is shoving NASH from CO for 10bbs when we have BB who has less than 10bbs covered from SB we can call 20.4%, 22+ A2s+ A7o+ K9s+ KTo+ QTs+ but 22 is only +0.02 cEV so I would say I would fold 22 because I can find a better spot than risking 10BBs to win 0.02. This leads me to question open jams, 3bet jams too and what type of edge do I want when taking these into consideration at different stack depths, 10, 20, 25, 30 BBs for example. I think the easy one is when we have 10 or less BBs that any edge is sufficient. Thanks for vid.
Hey Kumo, yeah this is a common question that is up for debate…I can't claim to be able to guess what edges are pass-upable any more than the next guy but probably passing up 0.02 edges is good in a soft tournament. I think you should be more willing to pass up small edges when calling than when shoving yourself as you are guaranteed to have those chips at risk when calling. Also remember that from a theory perspective if other players are using the same logic and passing up small edges your shoves become more profitable and perhaps not as marginal as the math suggests.
Thanks- I often worry that I misuse this program, so this is really helpful! At 12:29, doesn't the simulation automatically run the new math for how wide villain in the BB should call if you shove ATC? Notice there's a lot more green in that then when you run the video back to 62% at 7:54. Another confusing thing-if you forget to "lock" the range before running a simulation, I think it runs the simulation as if everyone knows your new range?
Hey Jen, glad you found it helpful! Yes you are correct that it auto runs the new equities which are displayed on his call chart with numbers and colours whereas his actual range is in bold…well spotted =). I am not sure what you mean regarding locking the range. I'm pretty sure it always runs the sim as if everyone knows your range as that is the basis of nash equilibrium and otherwise nobody else's ranges would change right? I might be misunderstanding what you are saying.
Let's say you're trying to figure out if it's +EV to jam 100% on the button to exploit a BB that's too tight, so you lock the BB range but leave the SB range unlocked. Now when you run the simulation, it still shows you how much you make with the BB calling with the too tight range (though it still displays how many BBs he would be winning or losing for each hand by calling correctly) but the SB opens up from the equilibrium range to play perfectly against your 100% range (and the BB's tight range). I'm usually more interested in the result with the locked SB range...
Ah ok I see now. Yeah you just gotta lock both ranges before you run it.
you're playing 6m hypers right? I'd like to see a live session of those
Yeah, theres a few in my live session review…not sure how interesting it would be to see me play only hypers. Probably better to break down select hands than see me push folding tons.
Hey man, thanks for the tip. Ive watched the session reviews and I liked them a lot. I think they're the best MTT videos here along with Fedor Holz. It's pretty cool that you can play a lot of different games: Also liked the idea of mixing in some HR calulations. I hope you can come up with more videos of that kind, not too many standard NLH tournaments though, because I know how to play them pretty well and theres a lot of videos about them.
nice vid! quick question: if we fold the sb that means -0.5bb ev right? so a close +0.2bb edge actually means +0.7bbs more than folding? thanks!
No, the ev it shows is compared to folding the hand.
maybe a stupid question but was unclear to me. could you please explain why when "he has 25 combos of value hands, he only needs 10 combos of bluffs, to make this a call".
.....this was in the steps example vs frenchdawg with K9 vs AJ
I assume I was getting 2.5 to 1 odds on the call meaning I only have to be good 40% of the time.
Great video stevie, definitely learned a lot and I have been using this a good bit in the last month. I thought the KQs hand was really interesting. How tight do you think you would call there given how it's actually beneficial to keep both players in as you eluded to in the video. Thanks
Hey mickman, thanks. I think I would have called something like ATo,A9s,77. Need to wait for FPS∞ to find out for sure ;)
Awesome content, as always. Do you see any advantage on using HoldemResources calcultor instead of using ICMizer ? In which situations you think each one is more properly used ?
Ty
I haven't really played around with ICMizer so I can't really comment. I assume either will be sufficient…just personal preference.
Hi Stevie. Great video. Regarding the last hand with K8s: The overcall range for the bb is very interesting to me. If its pure chip EV i guess u can more or less compare it to a MTT situation, and I just dont see players overcalling from the bb with hands like A2s, KTo and A4o. Would you just call that ignorance?
great stuff stevie!
totally agree with your thoughts of not passing up small edge when being short stack. we want to gamble to maintain future stack utility However, in the 86o example, if the chips stack are inverse and we have the big stack, we don't want to take this kind of BE shove. we don't need to gamble rather want to maintain our stack (as opposed to the short stack who is more willing to gamble to chip up). Do you agree? cheers!
This cleared up some stuff for me with HRC. Things have changed with it a little but not much.
Thanks!
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