I could be mistaken but in your AdA crEV sim I think you're only "ahead" in equity on the turn because crEV knows the river is the 9d and calculates the equity using that known river. (edit: you can see the SB's river equity is the same as the turn one)
Love the vid Tyler
Re the 22 hand on Q6Q45 board ..
I found your comments interesting re the villain's range - I'm a live player and am curious about 5/10 online player tendencies. You said you raised the flop for value against his A high hands, which the villain would often bet-call in this spot.
If I was playing this hand live and he called my flop raise in this spot I'd likely either shut down and check fold or turn my hand into a bluff and barrel the turn to push him off his mid pairs and sixes. I think it'd be fairly unusual to see villians float a raise with A-high here in a live game. And then you called the river, which you described as a zero EV play, I assume because villain will often enough bluff the river (with that bet sizing) with his A-high hands? Or is it to balance your turn checking range?
Do you think the 'live' line I described above be exploitable at online 5/10?
The villain's flop betsizing changed the hand play significantly. Assuming 100% cbet strat, if he folds his ace highs to the raise he will be folding well over 70% of the time. He has to call them to keep me indifferent to bluffing.
The river call was because I had 50%+ equity against his range and knew calling would be unexploitable; I didn't know how he would play his range, but knew I should win 50%+ of the time in this spot. Calling is the best vacuum decision.
I think your 'live' line is a good default strategy against many player types in many different table positions. A small bet player in a blind vs blind situation changed my strategy away from the normal one.
The CREV analysis of AA. I am not really using it for now but I see one problem with the tree that you created that it doesn't take equity realization into consideration. I mean Villain having bluffs on the Turn means nothing for me if he will jam them on the river (except for diamond,8 or A but still I think that Villain bluffing frequency on 4th diamond or Q8878 will drop significantly and the good cards will come only 1/4 of the time or so).
So in 1/4 time I will win like 65-70% of the pot (due to reverse implied odds) .
And if I plan to fold out the cards I don't hit unless I plan to hero call him my equity vs Villain range doesn't give that much simply because I think that I will realize way less than 100% of my EQ on the River.
I would need to know he is checking the River with his bluffs on blanks with high enough frequency and/or that he will bluff cards good for me with big enough frequency to have a call. And thats all questionable.
Assumption: Villain's a recreational player so his frequencies are going to be weird.
The sim was designed to see if the river was a call. The turn play is really too difficult to model when I'm facing unknown irrational ranges. I'm forced to use my absolute hand strength as a guide to my play. Under this methodology, AdAc falls squarely into a range of hands that needs to be called because it beats his bluffs ( the player pool will give up on the river with some % of their bluffs) and improves on numerous river cards to the a strong hand. The combination makes this a close but good turn call.
The river fold was a mental misclick on my part and really entirely dependent on the card. The 9d holds a unique spot in the 4-flush word due to its completion of the straight flush/98o full house. I think I could probably discount 98 from the turn checkraise, so my fold was a mistake.
On min. 37, with the AQhh how do you balance that overbet on Turn? It seems to me a good spot to check on flop in order to have a stronger checking range together with hands such as 99-KK p.e, but once you overbet the turn it seems unbalanced to me, but Im most surely wrong on that point.
At this point, I was cbetting 0% on this board texture, so we would have no bluffs and no value. I'm doing this because I think my bluffs are more profitable in the flop check, turn bet line.
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Nice work!
Maybe a live 3 tabling video would be worth a try at some point or a regular 3 table, with one spot open do look at hands during the video.
Thanks for the feedback! I'll consider it for future videos.
I could be mistaken but in your AdA crEV sim I think you're only "ahead" in equity on the turn because crEV knows the river is the 9d and calculates the equity using that known river. (edit: you can see the SB's river equity is the same as the turn one)
Nice video, really like the pacing of it.
Good Catch!
I failed the common sense test.
I cursed out loud when the magical offsuit J appeared in the end of the video.
haha I did to.
Love the vid Tyler
Re the 22 hand on Q6Q45 board ..
I found your comments interesting re the villain's range - I'm a live player and am curious about 5/10 online player tendencies. You said you raised the flop for value against his A high hands, which the villain would often bet-call in this spot.
If I was playing this hand live and he called my flop raise in this spot I'd likely either shut down and check fold or turn my hand into a bluff and barrel the turn to push him off his mid pairs and sixes. I think it'd be fairly unusual to see villians float a raise with A-high here in a live game. And then you called the river, which you described as a zero EV play, I assume because villain will often enough bluff the river (with that bet sizing) with his A-high hands? Or is it to balance your turn checking range?
Do you think the 'live' line I described above be exploitable at online 5/10?
The villain's flop betsizing changed the hand play significantly. Assuming 100% cbet strat, if he folds his ace highs to the raise he will be folding well over 70% of the time. He has to call them to keep me indifferent to bluffing.
The river call was because I had 50%+ equity against his range and knew calling would be unexploitable; I didn't know how he would play his range, but knew I should win 50%+ of the time in this spot. Calling is the best vacuum decision.
I think your 'live' line is a good default strategy against many player types in many different table positions. A small bet player in a blind vs blind situation changed my strategy away from the normal one.
The CREV analysis of AA. I am not really using it for now but I see one problem with the tree that you created that it doesn't take equity realization into consideration. I mean Villain having bluffs on the Turn means nothing for me if he will jam them on the river (except for diamond,8 or A but still I think that Villain bluffing frequency on 4th diamond or Q8878 will drop significantly and the good cards will come only 1/4 of the time or so).
So in 1/4 time I will win like 65-70% of the pot (due to reverse implied odds) .
And if I plan to fold out the cards I don't hit unless I plan to hero call him my equity vs Villain range doesn't give that much simply because I think that I will realize way less than 100% of my EQ on the River.
I would need to know he is checking the River with his bluffs on blanks with high enough frequency and/or that he will bluff cards good for me with big enough frequency to have a call. And thats all questionable.
Assumption: Villain's a recreational player so his frequencies are going to be weird.
The sim was designed to see if the river was a call. The turn play is really too difficult to model when I'm facing unknown irrational ranges. I'm forced to use my absolute hand strength as a guide to my play. Under this methodology, AdAc falls squarely into a range of hands that needs to be called because it beats his bluffs ( the player pool will give up on the river with some % of their bluffs) and improves on numerous river cards to the a strong hand. The combination makes this a close but good turn call.
The river fold was a mental misclick on my part and really entirely dependent on the card. The 9d holds a unique spot in the 4-flush word due to its completion of the straight flush/98o full house. I think I could probably discount 98 from the turn checkraise, so my fold was a mistake.
Appreciate your answer Tyler. Would you play KdKx, AdQx the same way or AdAx is the bottom of your calling range vs his x/r here?
Hey, great vid!
On min. 37, with the AQhh how do you balance that overbet on Turn? It seems to me a good spot to check on flop in order to have a stronger checking range together with hands such as 99-KK p.e, but once you overbet the turn it seems unbalanced to me, but Im most surely wrong on that point.
It certainly could be unbalanced. I'd like to think I check enough air to make always folding a mistake.
On min 36 with AQ: What value range will we be balancing with our bluffs for c-betting the flop?
At this point, I was cbetting 0% on this board texture, so we would have no bluffs and no value. I'm doing this because I think my bluffs are more profitable in the flop check, turn bet line.
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