2 Table $5/$10 6-Max Zoom NLHE and CREV (Part 2)

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2 Table $5/$10 6-Max Zoom NLHE and CREV (Part 2)

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Tyler Forrester

POSTED Dec 02, 2014

Tyler reviews the second part of this $5/$10 NLHE Footage.

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Steve Paul 10 years, 3 months ago

I could be mistaken but in your AdA crEV sim I think you're only "ahead" in equity on the turn because crEV knows the river is the 9d and calculates the equity using that known river. (edit: you can see the SB's river equity is the same as the turn one)

Nice video, really like the pacing of it.

MiketheTutor 10 years, 3 months ago

Love the vid Tyler
Re the 22 hand on Q6Q45 board ..
I found your comments interesting re the villain's range - I'm a live player and am curious about 5/10 online player tendencies. You said you raised the flop for value against his A high hands, which the villain would often bet-call in this spot.
If I was playing this hand live and he called my flop raise in this spot I'd likely either shut down and check fold or turn my hand into a bluff and barrel the turn to push him off his mid pairs and sixes. I think it'd be fairly unusual to see villians float a raise with A-high here in a live game. And then you called the river, which you described as a zero EV play, I assume because villain will often enough bluff the river (with that bet sizing) with his A-high hands? Or is it to balance your turn checking range?
Do you think the 'live' line I described above be exploitable at online 5/10?

Tyler Forrester 10 years, 3 months ago

The villain's flop betsizing changed the hand play significantly. Assuming 100% cbet strat, if he folds his ace highs to the raise he will be folding well over 70% of the time. He has to call them to keep me indifferent to bluffing.
The river call was because I had 50%+ equity against his range and knew calling would be unexploitable; I didn't know how he would play his range, but knew I should win 50%+ of the time in this spot. Calling is the best vacuum decision.

I think your 'live' line is a good default strategy against many player types in many different table positions. A small bet player in a blind vs blind situation changed my strategy away from the normal one.

gargamel_fk 10 years, 3 months ago

The CREV analysis of AA. I am not really using it for now but I see one problem with the tree that you created that it doesn't take equity realization into consideration. I mean Villain having bluffs on the Turn means nothing for me if he will jam them on the river (except for diamond,8 or A but still I think that Villain bluffing frequency on 4th diamond or Q8878 will drop significantly and the good cards will come only 1/4 of the time or so).
So in 1/4 time I will win like 65-70% of the pot (due to reverse implied odds) .
And if I plan to fold out the cards I don't hit unless I plan to hero call him my equity vs Villain range doesn't give that much simply because I think that I will realize way less than 100% of my EQ on the River.
I would need to know he is checking the River with his bluffs on blanks with high enough frequency and/or that he will bluff cards good for me with big enough frequency to have a call. And thats all questionable.

Tyler Forrester 10 years, 3 months ago

Assumption: Villain's a recreational player so his frequencies are going to be weird.

The sim was designed to see if the river was a call. The turn play is really too difficult to model when I'm facing unknown irrational ranges. I'm forced to use my absolute hand strength as a guide to my play. Under this methodology, AdAc falls squarely into a range of hands that needs to be called because it beats his bluffs ( the player pool will give up on the river with some % of their bluffs) and improves on numerous river cards to the a strong hand. The combination makes this a close but good turn call.

The river fold was a mental misclick on my part and really entirely dependent on the card. The 9d holds a unique spot in the 4-flush word due to its completion of the straight flush/98o full house. I think I could probably discount 98 from the turn checkraise, so my fold was a mistake.

pokerpan1 10 years, 2 months ago

Hey, great vid!

On min. 37, with the AQhh how do you balance that overbet on Turn? It seems to me a good spot to check on flop in order to have a stronger checking range together with hands such as 99-KK p.e, but once you overbet the turn it seems unbalanced to me, but Im most surely wrong on that point.

thed4rkside 9 years, 4 months ago

On min 36 with AQ: What value range will we be balancing with our bluffs for c-betting the flop?

Tyler Forrester 9 years, 4 months ago

At this point, I was cbetting 0% on this board texture, so we would have no bluffs and no value. I'm doing this because I think my bluffs are more profitable in the flop check, turn bet line.

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