$1/$2 Live on Zone: Aggressive Exploitation
Posted by Tyler Forrester
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5:30 T#1 Why are you using a 2.5x 3bet $6 to $15 BTN vs MP? If BTN is polarized because BB/BTN has a cold call range, wouldn't 3bets be bigger even vs a 3x open? Or is it more about controlling the SPR and sticking to a 7.5bb sizing?
6:50 T#1 When you raise flop Qc9s vs the 3/4 cbet [Ac5s5c] when opponent calls are you trying to move him off top pair with the double barrel?
10:00 T#2 when you get snapped on a 4 flush board by top pair BTN vs BB does this change your opinion on bluffing against this pool? Also with value bets would you just value bet all diamonds in the future or what is the cutoff point on the lowest diamond you would bluff on this board? I have a hard time finding the spot where I get called by a worse diamond or no-diamond and also wanting to value bet but improve my red line same time if that makes sense. Also on these 4 flush boards Luke Mentioned using a 2/3+ sizing as default. This seems a bit unclear to me as the lower the diamond the smaller size I tend to want to use so I don't isolate myself against a stronger caller range.
Thanks for any feed back.
In regards to small 3-bet size IP I don't think I need to go much bigger him to make his marginal calls go 0, -EV. It's possible that he might still call bigger bets with too wide of a range in which case I should be going bigger. I go back and forth here.
Yes he's going to bluff catching Ax here on the turn, so it makes sense to have some bluffs that can continue on club rivers. I'm also trying to move him off flush draws and random floats. This isn't particularly high EV against a calling station, but I think nittier regs will find folds here with Ax. Unfortunately, I missed the flop c-bet size in this hand, so he's probably more loose aggressive sticky then normal.
Maybe I was too aggressive on the 4-flush board, but it's not uncommon for players to be worried about 4-flushes, so I tried to play to those worries. This particular player wasn't a believer.
I have studied this video extensively. Going to give this strat a try at 1/2 on PartyPoker.
Go for it Matt! Let's make 1/2 wild :).
One hell of a video Tyler! Very entertaining and informative.
Seems a good strat at lower stakes but also applicable in large field tourneys.
How far out of line do you feel you were in this video? A lot of the spots you took seemed mostly reasonable with perhaps slightly too high freqencies in certain spots but overall good aggressive poker. Of course, that's from a laymans point of view :)
Frequency is the most important part of any strategy long-term so I'd say pretty out-of-line from a GTO perspective -- the exploit on this strategy is much higher than it should be, because for example the Th5h hand would be a breakeven call at equilibrium and against this strategy would be highly +EV.
From an exploitative perspective where your opponents are turning lots of 0 EV hands into folds rather than calls, turning all the mixes into pure bluffs should generate substantially EV.
The real key and I didn't do a great job of this in the game is to differentiate between players types and their tendencies. Lots of tags are well aware that certain situations tend to be underbluffed and will try to deviate to overfold strategies in those spots. Whereas more recreational/amateur player is less likely to be aware of these dynamics.
Gold
Thanks man, appreciate the love!
Thanks for the thorough response tyler.
With regards to this strategy, if you were trying to implement this against better opponents the real problem then becomes they call too often or implement more raises to counter us, would that be our main concern?
In an anonymous cash pool even at high stakes i wonder if we still get away with a lot this?
Any chance for a part 2 of this or a replayer review of another over aggressive session where you talk about the gto play vs made play for each hand you play to flop?
Great stuff.
I like that idea, I'll put something together for the next video.
Yes -- it'd be a drastic strategy change to always call/raise bluff-catchers. I don't know how drastic changes would be with the poker zeitgeist being all about balance, so Ithink at small stakes you could do to it for the foreseeable future.
The trouble is that most pros moved up because they found the exploits, so the value goes down as you move up in stakes. Instead you're playing against a lot players using similar strategies.
This style is exactly what I'm trying to implement at 100nl - always choosing the more aggressive actions. I think it works really well, good to see you implementing it here too.
Yeah it requires people to take on more variance than they are used to and also really emphasizes calling some hands to start to move bluffs down in value.
I will add as Tyler mentioned, the added variance, you need a really strong mental game to take on this style of play! A lot of people are not ready for these 20-30 buy-in swings.
Good to see some actual explo vid right here ;)
Keep it up, love it !
Thanks Wadja!
I don't know, I think I disagree with the premise of the video and therefore the strategy. While there are some regs in this pool who will be making exploitatively big folds (like me) in certain spots where players want to put all the money in, by FAR the majority of the pool is made up of fish and reg-stations who are overcalling most spots by a wide margin.
IMO the way to make money in this pool is through relentless and thin value bets, and through finding the spots where the pool actually overfolds vs aggression (for instance: turn barrels in single raised and three bet pots where the turn card is neutral or better for our range, turn and river bluff raises, attacking small bet sizes/weak ranges, and using very large river over bets to bluff when our opponent can't have a very strong range).
That said, still enjoyed the video and the idea behind it, I just don't think it's the best strategy to use in this specific pool.
Basically if some subset of the pool likes to make big folds then it makes lots of sense to focus on those players to run lots and lots of +EV bluffs. It's really up to you to figure out who they are. I just finished up a review video with hole-cards exposed in some of the spots I was more aggressive. I think it's hard to conclude that pool is overcalling.
On the slim-value bet front, it's easy to relate winning the pot to making the highest EV decision, there's plenty of situations where betting cuts of the EV of marginal hands, because we can get bluffed raised and called by better without a corresponding offset of weaker hands calling. We need to get called 1/2 by worse to make betting better than checking. The common scenarios for this occurring is when by range construction we just don't have enough perceived bluffs to cover the value bets, so our opponent generally calls better or bluff-raises
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