Coin Poker Championship: High Level Play
Posted by Tyler Forrester
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Haven’t seen this 16bb 3 bet here,
But got the max lol
It's a fake tilt play that sometimes people do.
Great video Tyler thank you again.
Thanks Truepower!
Matt Marinelli
That's exciting. I'm stoked for his blog. He should have some really fun adventures to read about!
21:45 you mentioned you are surprised to see a XR. The river SPR is only going to be about 1, so can't we just XR all of our straights, sets, and flushes? Throw in some AhQx AhJx for bluffs?
I had it around 12% in the sims. It's basically focused on 99-88 and JT, 65. The idea was that overpairs, and top pair combos with the heart are very low value on these cards so I'd generally think we'd have more passive lines to prevent the wider reshoves.
When fish do this vs me and I have aces and they get cracked im just like ahh standard lmao
I mean running it twice means AA only scoops about 64% of the time. However it only loses both around 4%.
Pretty sick hand, what a runout
Really fascinatting exploitative play by both players here.
Tyler Forrester 1. hand, i find it a very "weak" to just label Matt Marinellis exploitive size to a "tilt play". Mat is arguably a better player than you, he is sitting basically the two best cash players in the world and instead of trrying to understand why one of the best in the world is doing something, you just label it as "bad". Not sure if that is what i am wanna see from an elite coach, i can just rewatch Hands myself then...
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Obsiouly Marinellis is up to something, he knows this size is not highest EV - but maybe vs Linus yes? Maybe he knows LLinus is a fucking station and never folds - why not going to 16bb pre then? We can always learn from other peoples ideas, even if they are -EV, theres a reason behind it. Never say this is bad, this is good in poker, poker is much more complex-. i am indeed sad that i need to mention that here while paying 199$ / month....
not to mention, GTO Wizard plays 14bb 3b size when 125bb deep, when reaching 150bb the preferred size is actually 16bb at NL10k....cant be as bad as you think.
You also mention that AA wants to rather 3b the smaller size, while other pp like JJ fits more the big size (if you split). I am not sure about this one, because the bigger the size the more polar it is... Further, AA benefits a lot by putting many $$$ into the pot pre, as its pre the best hand and its equity drops basically on any flop....
In the K789 hand, you say you assume the x/jam by barak is probably some kind of blunder, in my SIM on wizard it 1. x/jams 20% of its range ott (quite a bit..) and 2. his hand (65s) is a pure x/jam - well played, i guess?
I might be harsh but honestly it tilts me quite a bit. I am paying 199$ / month, 2.4k / year so that i can hear "elite coaches" yapping about how bad worldbest cash players play, how they blunder without actually explaining why you think they blunder. We are watching hands, starting on the river, not even knowing what happend on the streets before? How can we analyze such hand, let alone learn from it? Honestly, it showing you little effort you gave to prepare this video.
RIO unsubbed, wont come back unless this site makes some serious changes. Every GTO Wizard free YT Vid has more value than those "elite" videos here (besides Luke Johnson's Videos)....
Thanks for your feedback. I hope you find a coach that agrees more with your perspectives.
There isn't a single GTO model in existence that agrees with Matt's sizing choice with AA, which implies it's leveling war play and that he is going to out level the biggest winning poker player in online poker history. That's a dumb thesis. I don't care who made it. I am not going to fan boy because he's an excellent player.
I do not copy GTO wizard sims in my commentary, because I think it's unfair to my viewers to regurgitate sims that are publicly available. I am not going to be the high priest for GTO poker. Luke really does a great job with that market.
I am not saying you should fanboy him - I am saying you should try to understand why he is doing it. If its just a "tilt play" then why even cover the hand? We dont really learn anything from it, do we? I dont understand why we aren't covering hands that start from the beginning so we can actually follow the action and hands that we can learn something from?
The coin poker replays sometimes picked up the hands in odd spots and for that I apologize. On the other points:
I said that I don't know a single GTO model that current encourages this sizing with AA here. That's seems to be valuable to the viewer.
I then said sometimes players like to raise to "fake" tilt size with AA to level their opponents into making a mistake. (Again I would think that would be a useful piece of information).
Finallly, I think given the lousiness of thesis -- trying to level the winningest poker player in online poker history-- that was cloudy thinking or "tilt". Maybe I should have been more generous and said it was "cloudy thinking". I would think the understanding that even excellent players sometimes have cloudy thinking would be useful to my viewer.
I think practically, I'd sit down and write out what you are looking to get from watching the videos. There's a lot of levels of learning in poker. I don't focus much on the basics and tend to focus more on things that working professional might gain value from. This is obviously not everyone's cup of tea.
Tyler,
Nice job analyzing/commenting on these hands. Enjoyed seeing the play in this one.
Thanks
Thanks 777!
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