Coin Poker Championship
Posted by Tyler Forrester
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Great review, Tyler. Any chance for a part 2?
12:30 you mention any pair is a vbet since opp has to call stronger ax. Is that something that is more geared toward higher stakes since i don't see a lot of Broadway call downs at lower stakes.
There were a few hands were you talk about suit dynamics with offsuit hands when it comes to bluffing and bluff catching. I mess these things up with offsuit hands. Is it a huge ev loss?
Thanks!
I am planning on a part 2. It was really fun video to shoot. Lots of cool spots.
I would argue it is more important to hero call more IP in these 4-bet pots at mid and small stakes, because lots of players aren't check-calling broadways, because they are bluffing with them (which is really large over-bluff).
In single raise pots often the EV losses are small for using poor suit choice, but suit-choice value can be quite large in 3 and 4-bet pots and account for up to 10% of the pot in value.
Regarding 12:30, would you say it is too thin to vbet a3 at mid and lower stakes?
I have mixed feelings. In years past this check was 50% AA, so really couldn't value bet anything as the in position player here. With the advent of GTO wizard and its wide availability, I would say yes you should value bet A3 at mid and lower stakes.
A5o hand was rather wild to see at these stakes. If these were chronological I'd find Marinelli's bluff even worse from a much more more simplistic perspective: Cd9 wants to win every pot
looking forward to pt2
Good point, Oback. I am assuming independence between the hands like Cd9 is less mad than he was in the A5o hand.
Hey tyler thanks a lot of for the video!
Thanks Truepower!
lol that A5o hand is wild, not even a draw? Just going for it?
People get overly emotional and overconfident, so we see hands like this.
Bit of a cooler unfortunate runout for q10
Well played tho!
Yes, really tough situation for Qx on this turn.
Idk I don’t really play flat AQo here from button
When we do 3 bet, and get cold 4 bet from blinds with JJ
We can just fold? Idk cold 4 bet ranges are tight.
As played I like it haha but QQ played this pretty well imo
Fun hand
With this guy being a crusher on ignition I assume you’ve guys have played together? Just don’t know because anonymous?
Probably, but I'll never know. You can fold vs cold 4-bet with AQo. This pot was squeezed which is a much wider range. I think QQ played fine/good here, but it got too much value from Matt's range because of the Qd bluff by Matt.
CD9K journal here on RIO for those who want deeper insights.
Seems like a really smart introspective dude. I am sure he will do well in life.
Mathew Marinelli was one of my favorite podcast on MOP. Just a lot of hard work and determination plug leaks as fast as possible and reviewing every pot above 6bb. Also on the mobius podcast where he bluff catches vs Linus 4:30 into the podcast. Going from ignition to #1 player on ACR just an incredible journey of determination and hard work.
Yes, I agree. He's had a really successful career. It's really some fun talent in these games.
9min Tyler Forrester you mentioned OOP should be checking a ton on this board because there is so much air in range from over cards, which solver shows its checking about 3/4 of the in this 4BP BvB. I was wondering why in a 3BP SB vs BTN on this same texture solver is still betting 1/2 the time? Does the button just have too wide of a range? SPR still reasonable to bet the flop and call a raise?
I forced a 40% range bet and EV went from 18.51 to 16.94. Is this really a substantial EV loss in a 45bb pot Wizard link ? If BB doesn't flat enough with AA / KK preflop and doesn't find enough flop raises as TT should be a pure raise here. Is CD9K really losing any EV with a range bet?
Also in these 4 bet pots BvB can the SB just check range on these low boards 964dd and play an aggressive XMR strategy? Just XR all draws , 2 overs with 1 diamond, any pair, etc. IP has to be scared of AA-JJ right?
So these flop sims are pretty deep and I have to be careful with the analysis. Basically some hands go -EV in the auto c-bet node here, so you can improve your equity by checking/folding them. This however gives more EV to IP weaker calls, so now we have to balance and check some other hands. A 5% Pot loss over a long period of time is going to make you a breakeven player here, so we cannot auto c-bet.
Auto-check is more subtle if our opponent knows we auto-check he can gain some EV by checking more IP, if he doesn't know we auto-check and plays a GTO vs possible c--bet, the EV values should be equal to the mixed strategy. This is a decision you have to make against your opponent.
29:30 btn vs bb 3BP do you think the 1/2 pot is a good size by Marinelli on this K42r-9cc board when he calls flop and float bets the turn? I usually cap myself at 33% turn size here. Allows for more FE on the river.
Definitely looking forward to part 2 Thanks Tyler Forrester
I thought everything looked good from a sizing perspective, just an unusual arbitrage effect with the Qd being bluffed and QhQs removing more KQs than normal.
Tyler,
The QcTs hand at ~24:00 on board of 6d5sQs4h, you mention that if solver continues with QT this is the combo to continue with, I am curious why this combo? Is it the club or the spade that makes this a better combo? Seems like on turn we would not want a spade. Would love to hear your thoughts on this one.
Thanks Tyler
"Ts" means all the two pair of the highest value on the river. If you hit two pair and the flush comes in, the hand is not nearly as strong.
"Qc" minimizes the number of two pair possible because Qc6c,Qc5c,Qc4c are all possible two pair combos.
Combine the two effects and you have the highest value QT combo.
Tyler,
Nice video with great analysis. Look forward to the next installment if you decide to make one.
Thanks
Thanks TripsSevens!
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