1:25 should he have many blocks here? The K is good for his range but it seems like he can go half pot at least with all of his value range amd corresponding bluffs.
If he were oop instead, would a block be more reasonable?
3:40 how do you feel about his jam?
21:45 is this an overbet spot on the turn for opponent? I don't know that we have a huge nut advantage and I would have gone closer to pot or slightly less.
Thanks SoundSpeed, really appreciate your excellent question and comments.
He should not have many blocks IP here at all and the main value lines are going to be around 125% of pot here. Sometimes players think that people overfold to small bets so they start to post-oak bluff.
OOP is very different because blocking Qx is now considered equal or better than checking, because the IP player can bet.
I think the jam with Ad8s is sloppy because it's hard to overbluff these nodes, because I have so many flushes and the Ad actually blocks some of my semibluffs (which should make it worse).
On Js5d2d6c, the solver likes to center betsizes slightly over pot again. Overpairs are good here around 90% of the time on the turn so we can big bet them.
Tyler,
Well played and well explained hand at ~14:00 when you have 35o on 9s3s5cJc9c. This line from villain is pretty common it seems where when hero calls flop, villain will overbet turn quite frequently when a brick comes on turn thinking that you would raise off most if not all of your 2 pair+ hands. Against that player type, mostly calling seems like superior play. Well played hand.
Tyler,
Interesting hand at ~31:00 with the T6dd on 6AAT board. This hand makes the most sense to bluff with in this spot. I am curious if you are always following through on river or if you are giving up sometimes with this hand? I imagine there are some river cards that you are giving up on (I imagine an Ace).
Hey Tyler wonderful video my guy thank you.
I discussed this spot a couple weeks ago with another player check raising the turn does well with value and combo draws. Ie up and down straight draws and flush draws.
It can do well with both, if the fold frequencies get above 50% then checkraising draws is more profitable than calling. Against other player types though that overcall we should only do checkraise turn with value.
Wicked call here
Really like the check raise turn as well as the flat on the flop.
Missed spades would be my first thought for hands he may jam river 108 is fun lol
Thanks it looks a little odd, but I think is squarely profitable against most players because they tend not to value these spots too thinly and they bluff too widely.
Seems like an odd line here - turn looks like a clear overbet spot for IP. What do you think is going on here? Misapplication of theory? An exploit that expects you to over-fold? I see this kind of line a lot from MDA bots, so is there a possibility this player is a bot?
Definitely a possibility that it's a bot and it's very possible that in MDA on this board people overfold to 1/3rd. I need to defend around 75% of range which possibly includes some Ax or 22.
I'm a bit confused about what you said about this hand - you said that AK is supposed to be a pure fold on turn vs the turn XR. I checked this in a sim and had AK as a pure call.
I look at the at the 67% pot size flop bet. When I look at 1/3rd potsize, I get 82% call and 18% Fold with AKo to the turn checkraise. My primary point here was to stress that calling regions on flush-boards are narrower than most people are used to.
For this hand the solver doesn't seem to like XRing the turn with T6s in my sim and instead opts to pure call. Having said that, both options are very close in EV. You could argue that therefore it's still a decent XR candidate, but then you either have to XF with some extra flush draw combos that can no longer call, or you end up over-bluffing.
Thank you, Matt! As usual, you raise a very valid point that the solver doesn't raise T6s on this turn. I checked some rivers and T6dd varies between call/raise/fold based on the river card so the solver is thinking much more deeply on this board than the generalized heuristic.
With these turn scenarios do you factor in any MDA based considerations? For example with this hand, villain bet 3/4 flop, and overbet on turn. I believe in my games this bet sizing sequence would lead to villain having a stronger range than they should on average.
I'd argue that the range is generally A9+ with a bias toward overpairs and bluffs. People actually will fold overpairs to this jam with the extra value combos coming in, so I'm really hypothesizing that my opponent doesn't call one pair much to the jam. On reflection, I am not sure that was a terribly strong hypothesis.
That's an interesting idea! I checked the solver, and the EV of call/jam is almost identical. If you nodelock in some more folds with overpairs then the solver will just jam the T6cc. So you are definitely onto something. If we also factor in that we are unlikely to be able to play the river as well as the solver will (especially OOP), then it's probably higher EV for us humans to jam than call. The one thing that leaves me hesitant to try this play still though is the MDA data that says that the average reg in my games will just have more strong hands getting to this node to start with because weak regs take this bet sizing sequence more frequently with strong hands and use smaller sizings with bluffs. I will definitely look for more of this type of play vs good aggressive regs though!
I actually think the player type who both overbets overpairs and then folds to jam is pretty common, because it does very well against a lot lower stake recreationals and regs.
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A lot of interesting concepts in this one.
1:25 should he have many blocks here? The K is good for his range but it seems like he can go half pot at least with all of his value range amd corresponding bluffs.
If he were oop instead, would a block be more reasonable?
3:40 how do you feel about his jam?
21:45 is this an overbet spot on the turn for opponent? I don't know that we have a huge nut advantage and I would have gone closer to pot or slightly less.
Thanks!
Thanks SoundSpeed, really appreciate your excellent question and comments.
He should not have many blocks IP here at all and the main value lines are going to be around 125% of pot here. Sometimes players think that people overfold to small bets so they start to post-oak bluff.
OOP is very different because blocking Qx is now considered equal or better than checking, because the IP player can bet.
I think the jam with Ad8s is sloppy because it's hard to overbluff these nodes, because I have so many flushes and the Ad actually blocks some of my semibluffs (which should make it worse).
On Js5d2d6c, the solver likes to center betsizes slightly over pot again. Overpairs are good here around 90% of the time on the turn so we can big bet them.
Tyler,
Well played and well explained hand at ~14:00 when you have 35o on 9s3s5cJc9c. This line from villain is pretty common it seems where when hero calls flop, villain will overbet turn quite frequently when a brick comes on turn thinking that you would raise off most if not all of your 2 pair+ hands. Against that player type, mostly calling seems like superior play. Well played hand.
Thanks! Sometimes it's a cat and mouse of game of adjustments in these games.
Tyler,
Interesting hand at ~31:00 with the T6dd on 6AAT board. This hand makes the most sense to bluff with in this spot. I am curious if you are always following through on river or if you are giving up sometimes with this hand? I imagine there are some river cards that you are giving up on (I imagine an Ace).
Thanks Tyler
Yes, we'd jam every non-T, not 6, non Ace river. Just like we would with our fullhouses.
Tyler,
Another great video with lots of interesting hands/situations.
Thanks Tyler.
Thanks 777! I really appreciate the love.
Hey Tyler wonderful video my guy thank you.
I discussed this spot a couple weeks ago with another player check raising the turn does well with value and combo draws. Ie up and down straight draws and flush draws.
It can do well with both, if the fold frequencies get above 50% then checkraising draws is more profitable than calling. Against other player types though that overcall we should only do checkraise turn with value.
Wicked call here
Really like the check raise turn as well as the flat on the flop.
Missed spades would be my first thought for hands he may jam river 108 is fun lol
Thanks it looks a little odd, but I think is squarely profitable against most players because they tend not to value these spots too thinly and they bluff too widely.
Top shelf stuff here.
Thanks Hunter!
Seems like an odd line here - turn looks like a clear overbet spot for IP. What do you think is going on here? Misapplication of theory? An exploit that expects you to over-fold? I see this kind of line a lot from MDA bots, so is there a possibility this player is a bot?
Definitely a possibility that it's a bot and it's very possible that in MDA on this board people overfold to 1/3rd. I need to defend around 75% of range which possibly includes some Ax or 22.
I'm a bit confused about what you said about this hand - you said that AK is supposed to be a pure fold on turn vs the turn XR. I checked this in a sim and had AK as a pure call.
I look at the at the 67% pot size flop bet. When I look at 1/3rd potsize, I get 82% call and 18% Fold with AKo to the turn checkraise. My primary point here was to stress that calling regions on flush-boards are narrower than most people are used to.
For this hand the solver doesn't seem to like XRing the turn with T6s in my sim and instead opts to pure call. Having said that, both options are very close in EV. You could argue that therefore it's still a decent XR candidate, but then you either have to XF with some extra flush draw combos that can no longer call, or you end up over-bluffing.
Thank you, Matt! As usual, you raise a very valid point that the solver doesn't raise T6s on this turn. I checked some rivers and T6dd varies between call/raise/fold based on the river card so the solver is thinking much more deeply on this board than the generalized heuristic.
With these turn scenarios do you factor in any MDA based considerations? For example with this hand, villain bet 3/4 flop, and overbet on turn. I believe in my games this bet sizing sequence would lead to villain having a stronger range than they should on average.
I'd argue that the range is generally A9+ with a bias toward overpairs and bluffs. People actually will fold overpairs to this jam with the extra value combos coming in, so I'm really hypothesizing that my opponent doesn't call one pair much to the jam. On reflection, I am not sure that was a terribly strong hypothesis.
That's an interesting idea! I checked the solver, and the EV of call/jam is almost identical. If you nodelock in some more folds with overpairs then the solver will just jam the T6cc. So you are definitely onto something. If we also factor in that we are unlikely to be able to play the river as well as the solver will (especially OOP), then it's probably higher EV for us humans to jam than call. The one thing that leaves me hesitant to try this play still though is the MDA data that says that the average reg in my games will just have more strong hands getting to this node to start with because weak regs take this bet sizing sequence more frequently with strong hands and use smaller sizings with bluffs. I will definitely look for more of this type of play vs good aggressive regs though!
I actually think the player type who both overbets overpairs and then folds to jam is pretty common, because it does very well against a lot lower stake recreationals and regs.
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