Fascinating to see some of the strategies people are trying to run there (Q3o),
Unfortunately iggy has such a bad rep in my mind that I immediately think they believe with collusion they can drive it positive until you implement that 30% 3b
It looked reasonably clean, this session. The basic idea has been around forever that a 6-max big blind under defends in a vacuum. I really wanted to take advantage of his mistakes here, because being that wide is can be very large leak with the right exploit.
It's really under-explored. Most of the solvers player 4-bet or fold as the cold 4-better. I suspect the full solution has some flattening, but it's not common in 2025.
I would say equity or overcards. I think a recreational on this type of board is going to struggle to get defense frequencies right against small bets, when the straight doesn't come in, because he has so many combos of busted draws.
2 min with ATd you mentioned BB doesn't have very many 2x in range. I use heuristics to simplify my thought process of barreling tpgk+ on the turn. I'll still barrel turn on a flush closing turn with tpgk but usually I restrict my bet size to 33-50% on the turn when a flush completes. Do you think I'm over simplifying this spot? Should I actually be worried about 2x? I try not to think about it unless I actually face a XR. Just barreling gut shots with a spade, flush draws, tpgk+, etc and then bluff catching or folding the rest of the stuff on the river.
You also mentioned the solver likes having the Ten of diamonds matching the 9 of diamonds on the river. I thought we would want hearts? Block like T9h or A9h? How does having the Td help?
High level, you want to know how often you are losing with your combo to determine betsize.
With on flush completing turns, you lose between 10-20% of the time with a top pair type hand. On paired boards, it varies based on the number of that pair which called flop. A 2h on Ts9s2d is one of the least likely trip combos, so my opponent only has trips+ around 5.8% of the according to PIO.
Td means less T9o combos and T9s is 3-bet preflop occassionally, so the subtle difference means that we now bet. It is a pretty small effect.
6 min you mentioned the XBB line is going to be over bluffed because b75 the 9x isn't worth that much. Hard for villain to have Kx, so its going to be over bluffed. You said you were calling A3 here about half the time. I thought this would be a nice Raise or fold spot and avoid calling. Not sure what size I would want to raise to on the river though, maybe 3.5x? How much is AK worth? What about KdTd?
I didn't use custom Ai to solve for this X-75-75 line BvB. Looked like OOp was supposed to use more of a b50 size on the river with 9x and b75 mostly Kx or TT+. B50 for a lot of 9x and cheap bluffs. On the river A3/A4 is calling about half the time. Wiz shows Ax has about 30% equity. AT/AJ are pure folding though. Do we want to unblock the QJ QT JT hands that delay cbet? Raising the river isn't too bad, but wizard is choosing lower Q high through 7 high hands to bluff raise the river.
When I hover over different hands that are raising the river, wizard is still showing -EV or 0EV for raising. I can't really grasp what type of heuristic I would need to bluff raise this river. What suits would I want? What blockers do I want?
I need one more for custom Ai using X-75-75 as the only size, not to split the ranges too much. Wizard link and it appears a lot of the bluffs are coming from 9x and 5x? Seems a bit strange to turn a pair into a bluff here, but I guess we want to block boats and 2 pairs?
So bluff-raising is such a small part of the game tree like 3% or so that the solver isn't great at finding the best combos and tends to leave as mixed across different hands (I think mainly due to solver time limits).
On a bluff-raise, you want a combo that unblocks the bluffs and blocks the value and is 0 EV call. That is pretty much 5x with spades being the best bluff raising combos or 52s type hands where most bluffs do not have a deuce.
The Ac3s is a good candidate bluff-catcher, because the Ac and 3s are rarely bluffed in the sims, so we should maximize the number of bluff-combos.
Yes, the 3-flush or 4-flush are very close to the lowest value turns for 44s. Everybody is going to have the same problem so it isn't something we should worry about.
Tyler Forrester I saw in one of Luke's videos where on the turn some sets actually raise and lower flushes just call because they don't have a redraw if they are behind. Would be cool to see a video on this. Where sets are raising for value and equity denial. At the time when Luke first showed it, I was pretty amazed. I thought only like flushes or semi bluffs with a club would raise. Never really considered raising a set on a flush completing turn.
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Tyler,
Nice video.
Thanks
Thanks Trips!
hey tyler great video man thank you
Thank you Truepower!
3:38 A10dd
I don’t mind the check back on the river, think it was well played, if we do bet idk half pot or something and get raised not really super excited
It seems thin but I think most bots/pros will lead a 9 here because the check is catastrophic on value.
enjoyable format to watch Tyler nice work
Fascinating to see some of the strategies people are trying to run there (Q3o),
Unfortunately iggy has such a bad rep in my mind that I immediately think they believe with collusion they can drive it positive until you implement that 30% 3b
It looked reasonably clean, this session. The basic idea has been around forever that a 6-max big blind under defends in a vacuum. I really wanted to take advantage of his mistakes here, because being that wide is can be very large leak with the right exploit.
Great review!
22:25 table 3 kq i don't have cold call ranges vs a 3bet in these spots, it's 4bet or fold. Do you think that is losing too much ev?
25:15 tabke 4 k8, are you only going to barrel if you pick up equity?
Thanks!
Thanks Soundspeed!
It's really under-explored. Most of the solvers player 4-bet or fold as the cold 4-better. I suspect the full solution has some flattening, but it's not common in 2025.
On the K8, I couldn't find the hand.
Sorry about that Tyler, it's 24:15 after you cbet flop.
I could have looked harder :).
I would say equity or overcards. I think a recreational on this type of board is going to struggle to get defense frequencies right against small bets, when the straight doesn't come in, because he has so many combos of busted draws.
2 min with ATd you mentioned BB doesn't have very many 2x in range. I use heuristics to simplify my thought process of barreling tpgk+ on the turn. I'll still barrel turn on a flush closing turn with tpgk but usually I restrict my bet size to 33-50% on the turn when a flush completes. Do you think I'm over simplifying this spot? Should I actually be worried about 2x? I try not to think about it unless I actually face a XR. Just barreling gut shots with a spade, flush draws, tpgk+, etc and then bluff catching or folding the rest of the stuff on the river.
You also mentioned the solver likes having the Ten of diamonds matching the 9 of diamonds on the river. I thought we would want hearts? Block like T9h or A9h? How does having the Td help?
High level, you want to know how often you are losing with your combo to determine betsize.
With on flush completing turns, you lose between 10-20% of the time with a top pair type hand. On paired boards, it varies based on the number of that pair which called flop. A 2h on Ts9s2d is one of the least likely trip combos, so my opponent only has trips+ around 5.8% of the according to PIO.
Td means less T9o combos and T9s is 3-bet preflop occassionally, so the subtle difference means that we now bet. It is a pretty small effect.
6 min you mentioned the XBB line is going to be over bluffed because b75 the 9x isn't worth that much. Hard for villain to have Kx, so its going to be over bluffed. You said you were calling A3 here about half the time. I thought this would be a nice Raise or fold spot and avoid calling. Not sure what size I would want to raise to on the river though, maybe 3.5x? How much is AK worth? What about KdTd?
I didn't use custom Ai to solve for this X-75-75 line BvB. Looked like OOp was supposed to use more of a b50 size on the river with 9x and b75 mostly Kx or TT+. B50 for a lot of 9x and cheap bluffs. On the river A3/A4 is calling about half the time. Wiz shows Ax has about 30% equity. AT/AJ are pure folding though. Do we want to unblock the QJ QT JT hands that delay cbet? Raising the river isn't too bad, but wizard is choosing lower Q high through 7 high hands to bluff raise the river.
When I hover over different hands that are raising the river, wizard is still showing -EV or 0EV for raising. I can't really grasp what type of heuristic I would need to bluff raise this river. What suits would I want? What blockers do I want?
Wizard link

I need one more for custom Ai using X-75-75 as the only size, not to split the ranges too much. Wizard link and it appears a lot of the bluffs are coming from 9x and 5x? Seems a bit strange to turn a pair into a bluff here, but I guess we want to block boats and 2 pairs?
So bluff-raising is such a small part of the game tree like 3% or so that the solver isn't great at finding the best combos and tends to leave as mixed across different hands (I think mainly due to solver time limits).
On a bluff-raise, you want a combo that unblocks the bluffs and blocks the value and is 0 EV call. That is pretty much 5x with spades being the best bluff raising combos or 52s type hands where most bluffs do not have a deuce.
The Ac3s is a good candidate bluff-catcher, because the Ac and 3s are rarely bluffed in the sims, so we should maximize the number of bluff-combos.
fun lead here with 44s, a lot of the time ill elect to xr
XR at this spr is good too. I think the general idea is since the flush hit, our goal spr is substantially smaller than before the flush came in.
on flush completing turns generally like going 33% or check but mainly check
what i do hate about this spot is when we do bet and they call and the 4th flush comes on the river basically have a bluff catcher h
Yes, the 3-flush or 4-flush are very close to the lowest value turns for 44s. Everybody is going to have the same problem so it isn't something we should worry about.
Tyler Forrester I saw in one of Luke's videos where on the turn some sets actually raise and lower flushes just call because they don't have a redraw if they are behind. Would be cool to see a video on this. Where sets are raising for value and equity denial. At the time when Luke first showed it, I was pretty amazed. I thought only like flushes or semi bluffs with a club would raise. Never really considered raising a set on a flush completing turn.
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