$5/$10 Ignition: It's Been a While
Posted by Tyler Forrester
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hey tyler thanks for the great video again!
Thanks Truepower!
Really enjoyed the review.
2:10 table 3 tt how do you feel about opponent raising your bet with the straight blockers?
Thanks!
It always seems like a decent idea, but it's hard to force yourself to checkback enough straights/sets to balance so people tend to get really sticky here to the raise. There's some crazy hand in the WSOP last year where the board was Tc6c4c2c7d and the flop went XX the turn went XX, the river went Bet Raise 3-bet 4-bet 5-bet ... and both players were bluffing.
nice to see you back at the tables looking forward to pt 2
Thanks Oback!
I find first hand J8 TP intresting. In terms of theory his bluffcatcher seems to be the single worst 1 pair combo he can call with losing -0.5bb, compared to K6/46s/33 or whatever that have less interaction with IP bluffs and are around 0Ev. Cool that you went for the overbet with a weak kicker and get called by a hand that ''should'' never be called in theory.
I feel like alot of people who are in the MDA mindset, that like to defend wide in wide range spots will massively overdefend here with their range.
You agree? More clear example if we look at runouts like J9623 where all our obvious air bricks, i se them massively overdefend 67 77-88-TT etc. How do you recommend exploiting tendencies?
Great question Robbo! I think it's easy to over-defend, when you play aggressively in position, because you tend to lose the auto-folds and then it's always hard to fold pairs (which beat 40-60% of opponents range)
The easy exploit is to value bet slightly wider and slightly larger.
Sounds like an interesting wsop hand. Sounds like some spazzy thing I might do.
With all the bot and collusion activity is it possible to win in these games?
I think you have to careful with the game selection. The old adage that "If you can't spot the fish, you are the fish." holds true. 5/10 and 10/20 are better because you do not have to pay as much of your profit in rake, which means there are more available games that a profitable.
Nice video, Tyler. :) Best of luck in these crazy Ignition games.
Thanks Neo! I’ll need it.
Hey Tyler, like this a lot. Enjoy this way you talking thru the solver results without even showing it, making the vid very smooth. Look forward to the next part!
Thanks mx!
01:50 You said "his flop sizing isn't that indicative to a Jx, it's more indicative to 6x-TT". Do you mean when people are betting (given his stack size I'll assume he's a reg), they will still have bet sizing = hs type of "human error"?
It's kind of fascinating to me as I think regs playing 1k+ will at least be balanced enough for flop sizings.
So there's this weird dynamic where the humans who play this pool are going to play these crazy max exploit strategies against the bots, which looks absurd to other humans, but are very effective against the bots.
It's not really a typical 5/10 pool in that regard. The 2nd part of this is that if you breakdown the board, QJ-AJ probably likes big and J9 has two pair, so he's really only left with JTo or suited Js that might be tempted to hit the size. He might size this with a set, but he checked turn which takes out almost all the sets. This leads me to believe that the "value" range here after the check is mainly middling pairs.
06:35 you said "maybe thought about block-block to prevent him to bet".
It's kind of interesting and I know it might be a broad question -- In which case do you think block-block line will outperform x/x line?
p.s - I assume if we are playing block-block line -- it's mainly for the medium strength hand like 70-85% percentile?
We have to be clear here on sizing, you could minbet minbet down to the 55-60th percentile hand. If you use 1/3rd pot, it's goign to be closer to 80th percentile. The small bets are always option OOP with these hands that extract a little value, become bluff-catchers vs bets.
This question is actually much deeper than my paragraph. It make a good video some day.
08:06 "the exploitative classes tend to be very aggressive with their bluffs OTT here". Could you explain a bit more on this please?
Databases show up with an overfold after your opponent checks twice, so an exploitative player would be expected to bluff 100% of his air after you check twice, because that's the highest value line against the pool. Since he folded (making air more likely), it became much more likely he was gto.
11:38 Top right turn play
Do you think ppl under-raise here overall vs block-block in 3bp as caller IP? So that OOP can do this more and it functions like a "freezing bet"? on say A/K high board?
Truthfully, I don't think people under-raise here. In fact in low-stakes pool block gets over-raised. It feels more like somebody who is uncomfortable checking and evaluating , so he designs a different line where he doesn't have to do that.
26:55 table 4, wow - this type of hand will make me feel that I get cheated hahaha. Such an insane combo villain has and a ridiculous river line. :D
It's so poorly played it has to be rec. Any cheating pool 3-bets against my hand and then jams against my 4-bbet.
33:10 table 4 - so let's say if you decide to bet the river, do you have an exploitative sizing vs this specific type of guy (seems aggressive OTF, and might cap his range when checking turn). Or will you just use a normal-ish large bet say b75-b100?
Thanks Tyler!
It would have to smaller than average, because of the 6 blocker, so it always gets overfolded to. I think I'd choose B66, because that size is more bluffed in the pool than B75.
Tyler,
Great video. Really enjoy your play and explain type videos as you do a good job of explaining the theory of the spot as well as how it plays in practice (real world).
Thanks
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