Hi, Krzysztof Slaski - I can confirm that this video is very dry, so your goal has been accomplished. =]
Definitely an interesting video, and also quite different from what I'm used to seeing. It was intriguing to see how the strategies changed (or didn't change) based on your range manipulations. One thing I really wished you did though (admittedly this is not necessary, so it's not a flaw in the video at all) was to remove the option of OOP C/R in your real hand scenario at the end of the video and see if IP then cbets a lot larger and at what frequency. Was IP cbetting small because it can easily build the pot via the massive amount of OOP check-raising? If that is the case, and we find ourselves in a game where people don't check-raise the flop nearly enough, I wonder if an almost "range c-bet" with a larger sizing would be used (or a more polarized c-bet strategy?). Or, to phrase it slightly differently, how would our opponent's lack of check-raising make our strategy differ from the equilibrium strategy? Do you have any knowledge or speculations on that? Thanks again, Krzysztof!
You're pretty much spot on. What would happen if OOP can't raise flop is IP starts betting more frequently with marginal hands(since it's now cheaper to deny equity), and start using larger sizings with some value bets(since they have no other way to get money in the pot on the flop).
Seeing how strategies change when we cut options for one of the players is an interesting idea, I will try to incorporate it into a future video.
One or two more videos without the lion I believe - Sorry!
You mentioned that, vs the ip range with all the draws, oop wants to x/r to 'get more money in before the board changes'. But why would a made hand want to do that? If the board does change (flush comes in) the more money it has put in, the worse off it is. Why wouldn't it just wait until the turn, and start piling in the money on bricks?
Basically what happens is the made hands want to get as much money as possible from the weaker made hands, since when the board changes IP might not need to defend them against larger bets anymore, and if it doesn't they will continue to value bet, as well as make it more expensive for the drawing region.
If the board does change (flush comes in) the more money it has put in, the worse off it is. Why wouldn't it just wait until the turn, and start piling in the money on bricks?
Putting money in vs the draws is a great proposition for made hands, since the draws will virtually never get the right price for just the next card(vs exactly made hands of course), and piling money in on the turn will still be an option, except now the pot is bigger and it's an even better situation for the made hands.
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Hi, Krzysztof Slaski - I can confirm that this video is very dry, so your goal has been accomplished. =]
Definitely an interesting video, and also quite different from what I'm used to seeing. It was intriguing to see how the strategies changed (or didn't change) based on your range manipulations. One thing I really wished you did though (admittedly this is not necessary, so it's not a flaw in the video at all) was to remove the option of OOP C/R in your real hand scenario at the end of the video and see if IP then cbets a lot larger and at what frequency. Was IP cbetting small because it can easily build the pot via the massive amount of OOP check-raising? If that is the case, and we find ourselves in a game where people don't check-raise the flop nearly enough, I wonder if an almost "range c-bet" with a larger sizing would be used (or a more polarized c-bet strategy?). Or, to phrase it slightly differently, how would our opponent's lack of check-raising make our strategy differ from the equilibrium strategy? Do you have any knowledge or speculations on that? Thanks again, Krzysztof!
P.S.
THAT LION BETTER BE BACK SOON!!!
=)
Hey, thanks for the feedback!
You're pretty much spot on. What would happen if OOP can't raise flop is IP starts betting more frequently with marginal hands(since it's now cheaper to deny equity), and start using larger sizings with some value bets(since they have no other way to get money in the pot on the flop).
Seeing how strategies change when we cut options for one of the players is an interesting idea, I will try to incorporate it into a future video.
One or two more videos without the lion I believe - Sorry!
Cheers ;)
Awesome. Thanks a bunch, Krzysztof!
Enjoying the series so far.
You mentioned that, vs the ip range with all the draws, oop wants to x/r to 'get more money in before the board changes'. But why would a made hand want to do that? If the board does change (flush comes in) the more money it has put in, the worse off it is. Why wouldn't it just wait until the turn, and start piling in the money on bricks?
Hey, glad you're enjoying the videos.
Basically what happens is the made hands want to get as much money as possible from the weaker made hands, since when the board changes IP might not need to defend them against larger bets anymore, and if it doesn't they will continue to value bet, as well as make it more expensive for the drawing region.
Putting money in vs the draws is a great proposition for made hands, since the draws will virtually never get the right price for just the next card(vs exactly made hands of course), and piling money in on the turn will still be an option, except now the pot is bigger and it's an even better situation for the made hands.
Cheers.
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