Martin 12 years, 1 month ago8:06 Your KJo call is thin/good with a +1800 chips expectation vs a 31% shoving range. I thought that hand was interesting because many people are shoving to wide in ShaiStar's spot thinking they can widen their shoving range because the BB is committed to call with ATC when it's in fact the opposite. Shoving J9 is going to be slightly -cev in this spot...howhever if the BB had 20k behind then shoving would show a nice profit. Shoving K2o would be disaster since A2o is a breakeven shove against 14%/11%/14% and 100% calling ranges. The best example in this situation is 98s where with a short BB it's a really marginal hand but when the BB has 8bbs it's the stone cold nuts.
14:28 great point about playing tight when we are distracted/tilted for x reason.
29:20 T3o is not that close imo, even if villain spite calls with K2o/Q2s/Q6o/T5s/J7o, shoving is still +765 chips. Big ass antes ftw.
36:54 haha liked the timing tell read
really looking forward to next part!
Todd Sisley12 years agoThanks for the detailed feedback. The math regarding the KJo hand is particularly interesting so I appreciate you sharing it. How are you going about calculating this stuff?Martin 12 years agoICMizer is a fine tool!
Todd Sisley12 years agoThanks a lot serbie. I was pretty happy with this footage and think you guys will enjoy the next part. I now have a much bigger stockpile of footage to choose from, so there should be some good stuff coming up.
Tom M12 years, 1 month agoNot sure I agree with the 77 hand on the top left at 4 minutes. Don't you think pairs weaker than us would do something aside from 3x? At least on the sites I play on, this is AK/AQ and pairs of around 77 or better quite often. I'd rather preserve our stack and find a better spot than this one.
Todd Sisley12 years agoIn this spot the villain does not have to fold or call w/ worse very often for this to be a good shove. I think a random player is going to be making enough mistakes one way or another that it would be bad to fold a hand as strong as 77. We're 40% against an 8% calling range (88+, AJ+, QJs+), so once we add in some folds and the many hands he can make a bad mistake raise calling, then we're fine to shove here.Tom M12 years agoThanks for the explanation, Todd. I don't think I was factoring in the couple times where the villain incorrectly calls our shove with only one overcard, or an underpair. I might be missing some spots here and there by overvaluing chip preservation at times in a tournament where it's not critical to preserve. I'd feel more comfortable if he wasn't in as early position as he was when he 3x'd.
Is 77 basically the bottom of your jamming range there, though? What's the worst Ax hand you'd rip vs him in that same spot? Andrew Sweeney12 years agoI agree i think this spot is closer than you make it out to be , typically from my experience people don't 3x/f 15x in EP too often. and their range is usually fairly tight , i think 55 is a fold and 66 is meh but 88 is def a get in. I'm not saying i fold 77 i prob don't ( i can fold it against certain hud stats and i think hud with decent sample can make these decisions easier) i'm just saying it's not as super std as you make it out to be.
Nice vid thanks more live play please , there's never enough live play available in general.
Deactivated User12 years, 1 month agoWhy didnt u like to shove the K5s @215$ turbo 46min, MP2. As your gonna get blinded off soon in my opinion it would be a great spot to take, what else to wait?
Thank you, btw a great vid and keep them coming :)
Todd Sisley12 years agoI do think this is a close spot, but I still like my fold. With 11bbs and a couple minutes left in the blind level I think this is just slightly outside my shoving range. It's a bit of a problem that the blinds are both good regs. I would still probably shove K8 / K7s. 9 BBs you panic, 11 BBs you're chilling.
weezy12 years agoHey dude, great video. Around @39:00 in the Bottom Right, HyperTurbo when the dude Min-Raises Folds with like 5bbs... I know its a horrible thing to do, but I don't know WHY it is so terrible. Could you please explain that spot a bit more and at what point you are willing to Min-Raise fold?
Thanks! wfb
Todd Sisley12 years agoWith 6bb's I believe you should be shoving or folding your entire range, and if for some reason you must raise instead you are absolutely going to be priced in to a call against any reasonable range. He's calling 19K into 45K or something like that and it's going to be impossible to come up with any range that his hand is a fold to. If he somehow can come up with a range where he should fold then a) he's probably wrong and b) why is he raising like 23o in the first place. I think lots of people will have different thresholds for their raising / shoving / folding ranges and context obviously effects these ranges a lot to. A good general rule might be don't raise fold < 10bbs, but all rules have exceptions and obviously your ranges are going to be the product of many factors. weezy12 years agoHey Todd- Thanks so much for your awesome advice.
I am still having difficulty understanding the concept of being "pot-committed,"
Here is a break down of that KJo hand @39:00 bottom right screen. Could you please tell me if my math setup is correct, and from here, how I can derive an answer for it. Thanks again so much dude! WFB
Villain with 26,000 raised to 8,000. Now he is at 18,000.
And the pot is at 12,400 + 8,000 = 20,400
Hero's BB: 25,000
When you shoved over, it would be 8,000 + (your reaming stack of 13,000).
So it would be Pot + His Raise + Your Shove = 20,400 + 25,000 = 45,400.
My understanding is that the Villain has the chance to risk his remaining 18,000 to win 45,400.
Which is 2.52 to 1 ( I think that is how the maths works).
Is this thought process correct? If so, what do I need to do to derive a correct answer from it.
As in, with 32o you should fold but with top 89% hands, it is a +EV call...
Thanks again dude!!! WFB
John Shamwoww12 years agoGreat video, Todd. I really like how you explain your actions instead of just doing them and narrating ''Hey, i just shoved XX. Standard."
One thing i would like to see more of is when you get in to spots where you think it's a close decision on calling, shoving or folding etc. is you to explain what range you would continue with.
Other than that, great video. Thanks.
weezy12 years agoTodd, If you could send the the HH for that hand, I could run it through wiz and post a pic of its suggestions.
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14:28 great point about playing tight when we are distracted/tilted for x reason.
29:20 T3o is not that close imo, even if villain spite calls with K2o/Q2s/Q6o/T5s/J7o, shoving is still +765 chips. Big ass antes ftw.
36:54 haha liked the timing tell read
really looking forward to next part!
Is 77 basically the bottom of your jamming range there, though? What's the worst Ax hand you'd rip vs him in that same spot?
Nice vid thanks more live play please , there's never enough live play available in general.
Thank you, btw a great vid and keep them coming :)
Thanks! wfb
I am still having difficulty understanding the concept of being "pot-committed,"
Here is a break down of that KJo hand @39:00 bottom right screen. Could you please tell me if my math setup is correct, and from here, how I can derive an answer for it. Thanks again so much dude! WFB
2000/4000/800 PREFLOP POT 12,400
effective BB: 8,250 = 12,400 * .66
Villains BB: 26,000 / 4,000 = 6.5
Villains effective BB: 26,000 / 8,250 = 3.15
Hero's BB: 25,000 / 4,000 = 6.25
Hero's effective BB: 25,000 / 8.250 = 3.00
Villain with 26,000 raised to 8,000. Now he is at 18,000.
And the pot is at 12,400 + 8,000 = 20,400
Hero's BB: 25,000
When you shoved over, it would be 8,000 + (your reaming stack of 13,000).
So it would be Pot + His Raise + Your Shove = 20,400 + 25,000 = 45,400.
My understanding is that the Villain has the chance to risk his remaining 18,000 to win 45,400.
Which is 2.52 to 1 ( I think that is how the maths works).
Is this thought process correct? If so, what do I need to do to derive a correct answer from it.
As in, with 32o you should fold but with top 89% hands, it is a +EV call...
Thanks again dude!!! WFB
One thing i would like to see more of is when you get in to spots where you think it's a close decision on calling, shoving or folding etc. is you to explain what range you would continue with.
Other than that, great video. Thanks.
on the AK hand vs 33(18min) which is your calling range?
Great job!
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