High Stakes MTT Hand Review
Posted by Todd Sisley
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min 37 , AT hand.
Based on all being said, what's the worst hand you b/c river with and what's the best hand you check back with?
Thanks.
Check jamming the j93fd flop is fine if you have the read your opponent will stab at the flop w/ his wide PF range, but I'm not sure that's going to be the default reaction to your relatively suspicious check. We opened in EP w/ 17bb and have checked a flop that hits even the weakest parts of our tightish opening range in a situation where we're going to have plenty of hands that could conceivably want to check shove (KQ / AK / QT / FDs / trap hands / etc). There are plenty of hands that he will make a big mistake shoving on the flop (66, AT, 87, A3, etc) that may just check back the flop (or bet fold it) if we check because at that point theyre happy to keep the pot small and draw to their hand. I have a check shoving range here and it varies against opponents, but I don't think it's necessary to make it your whole range. I think you will get plenty of big action (ie shoves) with your bet from a substantial group of hands that may check back or at least bet fold the flop.
In the ATo hand, you are assuming that your opponent is playing a balanced range in some very complicated spots and I think that it's dangerous to give your opponents that much credit as a default. If you think your opponent is going to be interpreting your triple barrel as strong, there are plenty of good hands for triple barreling him (KQ/ J8/ 67/ etc) in which case you would want to include a hand as strong as AT in your value range. If he's not interpreting it as strong, then value galore. There are so many good bluff catchers that you can check call (a ton of Ax/ Tx/ KK), that I would rather use the middle of my range for that line if you think he's floating you wide. Also, a lot of his flop calls had or picked up showdown value (most non broadway hands), and we can get him to bluff (or call down) with those hands by triple barreling (when he shoves river), but not by checking down. In both your comments you say you want to do one thing with your whole range, but my game is often structured to incorporate multiple lines into my ranges.
As I said to WhiteDevil, I prefer to be checking the middle of my range here and betting the strong and weak parts of my continuing range. Determining what constitutes the "middle" of my range depends on what type of opponent I'm playing and how they'll react to my bets and checks. If I think they're bluffing a lot when checked to, but folding to my bets, then I will widen the middle of my range so I'm check calling more hands. If I think he will call my bet wide and also bluff shove over my bets, but that he wont bluff much when checked to, then I will widen the "strong" part of my range and bet / call more hands on the river. The main swing hands would be AJ-AK and weak two pair.
It's an interesting idea and I like why you asked it. I think it's a deceptively bad spot to do it even though I said he will potentially interpret my raise as strong and possibly fold strong hands like AJ and overpairs, and combo hands or medium draws like T9 / KQ. The main problem is that he might not fold those hands on the turn and you have to know what type of opponent he is ahead of time. It can be hard to know how an opponent will react in such a unique spot unless you've played 1000s of hands with them and that's rarely the case. Since there are so many hands that could possibly continue on the turn you have to be quite certain a large portion of them will fold or consider bluff shoving a bunch of rivers for 100bb, which is obviously a dicey proposition. Having said that if you have a hand like 88 (blockers) which you can't call the turn with, but feel like your opponent is wide and maybe weighted towards his bluffs, then it would be a creative and decent spot to consider a bluff, but you would need a very good read thats he's folding and I wouldn't recommend it as a default.
Good luck.
@52:00 - You say you would open 66 in this spot, do you think it's EV+ at this stack? Our hand plays horrible postflop, we're always raise/folding pre and we got no blockers to treat it as a solid stealing hand. We're gonna loose a lot of chips opening weak pockets here.
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