Great analyses emty. The last hand was especially helpful in showing why we just have to chk fold so much oop with bare overprs. If we were ip instead, do we get to cbet these boards, or if we chk back and we have a disconnected turn like an offsuit J can we call a lead?
Even IP, I would very clearly lean towards checking back in that spot. Reason being is that both of our opponents should have somewhat reasonable leading frequencies on this type of a board because the board really does not interact greatly with my 3Bet range. Since most players end up checking, it makes their checking range much stronger as opposed to a player who also has a leading range on this texture.
If we face a probe bet on the Turn it becomes very dependent on player tendencies and betsize. Against a big bet (>66%) I would pretty much always fold and against smaller bets it's kind of decide on the spot.
I always have trouble 3betting KKss OOP vs EP loose openers, due to a lack of understanding of how to fit KKxx into our cbet strategy as well as how to navigate turns and rivers. If postflop we're getting attacked a lot, can you briefly describe our thought process on some common textures? (certainly I'm asking for a lot)
Is this basically played like a 3bet OOP AA, except for the situations where an ace flops? The Axx flop is one where I have the most trouble as a KK 3bet. I'm guessing most of the nut FDs are cbet stack off and nut FD blocker ones are pot fold? The dry Axx flops are just checks, balanced by our set A checks?
On this particular K84dd, I was thinking since our perceived range here is AA heavy, won't we be putting a lot of top sets, no FD + no SD into our checking range? Or should we mostly only do that with Top set + FD as a board crush slowplay?
Sorry for the late response, just back from vacation.
For a better understanding, the opponent seems to open ~30% from EP which pretty much equals a solid CO RFI range. Therefore we can adjust our 3bet range and increase it to the point we would 3bet vs the CO.
There are obviously boards that really favour and unfavour the 3better which is represented in the CBet frequencies on various boards. Therefore, A-high boards, mid-low-low boards such as T32r 843r J52r have a very high CBet Frequency whereas boards such as 754, 987, T85 have a rather low CBet Frequency.
I would really recommend watching the Mastering 3Bet Pot Series to get a better idea of how to navigate through different board textures: Find the first episode here: https://www.runitonce.com/poker-training/videos/thomas-emter-plo-cbet-strategy-ip/
When it comes to our particular hand on K84ss, I would say that we are rather inclined to check when having a FD or FDblocker+BDFD because the continuing range of our opponent is heavily reduced, especially when also blocking midpair. In this case, we don't hold a single diamond and we also don't have a BDFD which really incentivizes me to go for the CBet.
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Great analyses emty. The last hand was especially helpful in showing why we just have to chk fold so much oop with bare overprs. If we were ip instead, do we get to cbet these boards, or if we chk back and we have a disconnected turn like an offsuit J can we call a lead?
Thanks.
Hey SoundSpeed !
Even IP, I would very clearly lean towards checking back in that spot. Reason being is that both of our opponents should have somewhat reasonable leading frequencies on this type of a board because the board really does not interact greatly with my 3Bet range. Since most players end up checking, it makes their checking range much stronger as opposed to a player who also has a leading range on this texture.
If we face a probe bet on the Turn it becomes very dependent on player tendencies and betsize. Against a big bet (>66%) I would pretty much always fold and against smaller bets it's kind of decide on the spot.
Best,
Emty
Hello, on the KK98ss hand at 16:00
I always have trouble 3betting KKss OOP vs EP loose openers, due to a lack of understanding of how to fit KKxx into our cbet strategy as well as how to navigate turns and rivers. If postflop we're getting attacked a lot, can you briefly describe our thought process on some common textures? (certainly I'm asking for a lot)
Is this basically played like a 3bet OOP AA, except for the situations where an ace flops? The Axx flop is one where I have the most trouble as a KK 3bet. I'm guessing most of the nut FDs are cbet stack off and nut FD blocker ones are pot fold? The dry Axx flops are just checks, balanced by our set A checks?
On this particular K84dd, I was thinking since our perceived range here is AA heavy, won't we be putting a lot of top sets, no FD + no SD into our checking range? Or should we mostly only do that with Top set + FD as a board crush slowplay?
Thanks.
Hey tokyojin !
Sorry for the late response, just back from vacation.
For a better understanding, the opponent seems to open ~30% from EP which pretty much equals a solid CO RFI range. Therefore we can adjust our 3bet range and increase it to the point we would 3bet vs the CO.
There are obviously boards that really favour and unfavour the 3better which is represented in the CBet frequencies on various boards. Therefore, A-high boards, mid-low-low boards such as T32r 843r J52r have a very high CBet Frequency whereas boards such as 754, 987, T85 have a rather low CBet Frequency.
I would really recommend watching the Mastering 3Bet Pot Series to get a better idea of how to navigate through different board textures: Find the first episode here: https://www.runitonce.com/poker-training/videos/thomas-emter-plo-cbet-strategy-ip/
When it comes to our particular hand on K84ss, I would say that we are rather inclined to check when having a FD or FDblocker+BDFD because the continuing range of our opponent is heavily reduced, especially when also blocking midpair. In this case, we don't hold a single diamond and we also don't have a BDFD which really incentivizes me to go for the CBet.
Best,
Emty
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