So we should not be missing spots to 3bet players ip who are opening wider ranges. Should we also not be 3 betting as much out of the blinds if it is likely to go to a flop? I am thinking tournaments btw. Thank you for the video. Definitely reminded me to pay more attention to spr.
We cannot make general conclusions about 3betting. Just make sure you understood the concepts of the video, bigger spr=position matters more, wider ranges=position matters more!
I've been trying to figure out specifically why being in position is a good thing.
First, the in IP player gets to act with one additional street of information at all times.
Second, the IP player's option to check is much more powerful than the OOP player's option to check, because it either goes to showdown immediately or the next card pops out. When the OOP player checks, the IP player can still bet on the current street.
Third, if the OOP player checks his entire range to avoid giving away information, then it's basically like he had his turn skipped, which can't be a good thing.
Do you think this is accurate?
I think the reason that higher SPR favors the IP player is because it gives the IP player more leverage to use when he has the informational advantage, and there will be on average more streets played with higher SPRs, so the IP player gets to use his information advantage on more streets and the OOP player will split his range more, and thus he'll have more checking ranges overall, which are inferior to IP's checking ranges.
Perhaps information is more valuable when ranges are wide, which would favor the IP player, or perhaps the OOP player has to check more with a wider range, and we know that the IP has an easier time pot controlling and applying pressure.
I'm not sure about the board textures, but people say that dynamic boards favor the in position player. Perhaps wet isn't a good measure of volatility, and what you could do is find a program that shows you how much equities of hands change on turn cards for a certain range and a certain flop, and then order the boards on how likely equities are going to change on the turn. I suspect that the IP player's information advantage is more useful if equities are going to get mixed up a lot so that information sort of resets for both players, and the OOP player will have to check on more turns if the board is volatile, and as already stated, the IP player can take advantage of this better than the OOP player can.
I agree with all your points, especially the second one about how checking is different from oop to ip, I think it s really important. As far as the board volatility I also lean towards believing that whenever equities change ip should be favored and that's why I included this experiment with the boards in my video, but I got confused with the results. It s really something that needs further investigation, I might try a future video going more in depth in this specific subject.
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So we should not be missing spots to 3bet players ip who are opening wider ranges. Should we also not be 3 betting as much out of the blinds if it is likely to go to a flop? I am thinking tournaments btw. Thank you for the video. Definitely reminded me to pay more attention to spr.
We cannot make general conclusions about 3betting. Just make sure you understood the concepts of the video, bigger spr=position matters more, wider ranges=position matters more!
Thanks for your video! Really helpful
I've been trying to figure out specifically why being in position is a good thing.
First, the in IP player gets to act with one additional street of information at all times.
Second, the IP player's option to check is much more powerful than the OOP player's option to check, because it either goes to showdown immediately or the next card pops out. When the OOP player checks, the IP player can still bet on the current street.
Third, if the OOP player checks his entire range to avoid giving away information, then it's basically like he had his turn skipped, which can't be a good thing.
Do you think this is accurate?
I think the reason that higher SPR favors the IP player is because it gives the IP player more leverage to use when he has the informational advantage, and there will be on average more streets played with higher SPRs, so the IP player gets to use his information advantage on more streets and the OOP player will split his range more, and thus he'll have more checking ranges overall, which are inferior to IP's checking ranges.
Perhaps information is more valuable when ranges are wide, which would favor the IP player, or perhaps the OOP player has to check more with a wider range, and we know that the IP has an easier time pot controlling and applying pressure.
I'm not sure about the board textures, but people say that dynamic boards favor the in position player. Perhaps wet isn't a good measure of volatility, and what you could do is find a program that shows you how much equities of hands change on turn cards for a certain range and a certain flop, and then order the boards on how likely equities are going to change on the turn. I suspect that the IP player's information advantage is more useful if equities are going to get mixed up a lot so that information sort of resets for both players, and the OOP player will have to check on more turns if the board is volatile, and as already stated, the IP player can take advantage of this better than the OOP player can.
I agree with all your points, especially the second one about how checking is different from oop to ip, I think it s really important. As far as the board volatility I also lean towards believing that whenever equities change ip should be favored and that's why I included this experiment with the boards in my video, but I got confused with the results. It s really something that needs further investigation, I might try a future video going more in depth in this specific subject.
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