The Most Common Leaks at HUNL
Posted by Jonas Smailys
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Guys, please if you like the vid make a comment on what I should do for my next vid because I don't have much time left to choose a topic and I really don't know what to do. Thanks.
Want to play me say 2 tables HUNL at 50NL, 100NL or 200NL for an hour (or two) and make a video/hand history out of it? Not sure what stakes is the best fit for essentials. I might even check raise some top pairs for you (although I agree with you in the J6 hand, not going to check raise that!)
I'd love to see a video that focuses on playing against squeezes both as the inital raiser and the cold caller. I guess it would be similar to your BBvsSB defense videos where you replay a bunch of deifferent hands.
Ravzar perhaps if Jonas doesn't have enough time to make a video with you, would you like to play heads up with me and we can submit a video and we could do a double hand history review? That might be fun, whatever stakes you prefer up to $5/$10~
First off for HU I don't really want to be submiting a pure HU video because it's going to end up way different than what actual table starting looks like - there's a huge difference between when you 2-table somebody HU and when you have ~8 tables of 6-max on your side and then 1-table somebody.
2nd of all regarding the replies to making all sorts of 6-max vid - I wasn't clear enough probably but what I was asking is HU related ideas. I kinda proposed my own at the end of the vid.
Great video, many things that I've been thinking lately got an answer!
Video suggestions:
1. Triple barreling/bluffing on the river
2. Overbetting
3. Exploitation vs GTO
4. Player pool reads
Jonas I understand your point about the As9s hand on 2sKs7d5s to be that if you raise the turn and the river pairs the board, your range is going to be capped at a flush. I think this is an incorrect thought process for the following reason:
1. If we raise the turn we will almost always be checked to on the river by most villains when the board pairs.
2. If villain decides our range is capped and donk shoves the river, well it's still going to be +EV to raise the turn because he can't possibly be exploiting us. If we make a raise on the turn he can't call the turn in the hopes the river pairs so he can donk shove his entire range because he is putting too much money in the pot on the turn. Even if we always fold, there is only a 25% chance the board pairs (less if he actually has a set) so if he wants to stick in money on the turn with weak hands, he is going to be lighting money on fire the other 75% of the time. Therefore, he has to only call with hands with reasonable equity to a turn raise. When the board pairs we can expect him to check his flushes and two pair to us. To balance this he will end up having to check some boats which means he can't donk shove that often anyway.
3. It's better to get value now on the turn before the board gets scary. If we raise now he has to call with two pairs and sets and even some pair+spade or straight draw+spade hands. If we just call and the river comes a spade, most of these hands now check and we only get a bet on the river. If we raise the turn we get the opportunity not just for the turn bet but for the river bet too.
4. It's possible to make a turn shoving range if you have the appropriate amount of bluffs.
5. A raise works well for our overall range since we might like to raise As here as a bluff after checking back the flop. Some of the time we need to actually get to the river and have it.
6. Our range isn't necessarily capped. If we check back KK on the flop (a pretty decent play on this board, especially since we are checking hands like AsQs so he can't overbet the turn reckessly) or 55, we can raise the turn in HUNL with the plan to check back all rivers unless the board pairs. If we split our ranges like this, villain can't just go donk shoving flops recklessly.
All reasonable points and for the most part I do agree. However the purpose of this video was sorta introduction so the targeted persons to benefit from it doubtfully can take all this stuff you wrote into consideration and therefore if they do raise they might end up with all sorts of weirdness on various rivers.
There's one point I'd like to mention which I think forgot in the vid about the merits of just calling - as I've said in the vid the flush completing turns after SB x/backs def. favor heavily the BB so it's reasonable to expect anyone to have an increased bluffing frequency on various rivers - some nice implied value.
On the 942r board in CREV I think you are being led into error on the EV of certain flop calls in the SB because of the ultra small check raise sizing chosen. To such a small sizing, a lot of things are a call. You can't call a naked gut shot vs a check raise profitably if the check raise is to a more standard size.
His range also has more equity than you think. Consider a potential check raising range of:
A9, K9, 35s, A3, A5, 56s, 22, 44, 42s and add in say JTs with a bkdoor flush (I doubt people are check raising 99, 94s or 92s since that would probably be less +EV than calling and most 3 bet 99), this range has considerable equity. If you called with KJ you have less than 25% equity vs this range. The gut shots have 26% - 28%, not really enough for a call. 9T has 37% equity. The only one pair hands ahead of this range are A9 and TT+. That's just looking at equity, if you consider the robustness of the OOP player's equity, he has a lot of gutshot draws to the nuts in his check raising range. His range is super polarised between pretty nutty type hands and draws that either turn no equity or turn the nuts. The only addition to this is the A9 and K9 which make it slightly more mergey but at the same time these hands are really far ahead of any reasonable calling range. Once the guy can't profitably call you with gutshots (back to the raise size issue) and overs, he is stuck calling you with worse hands and traps so you get this situation that Will Tipton talks about of "Polar range vs bluff catchers + traps" which is a super common situation in HUNL.
Not sure why you're talking about c/raise size - in crEV tree I showed I didn't even change values, I left them to be default ones.
Also I dont get why you're talking about c/raising range's equity vs my calling range. The entire purpose of that crEV tree was to show how c/raising TPs in SRPs works. Basically all I wanted to say can be summed up in a few sentences - it's ok in some scenarios but the value isn't huge so you're not supposed to do it mindlessly on all sorts of flops as well as simply pounding away random turns and rivers won't work out well.
FWIW A9 on 942r can obv. be a std. c/r some %age of the time BUT that's a completely extreme example - it's like one of those ideal scenarios where your TP holds so much equity.
Jonas I thought I understood you to say that the C/R range has a lot of weak bluffs on that board texture. If this were so, it should reflect negatively on the OOP player's equity. However, it doesn't seem to impact the equity of their range that much. The OOP player's range is quite strong because not only does a robust C/R range have pretty high equity overall, the bluff's have very robust equity in that they tend to make the nuts or air instead of bluffs that tend to make air or just pretty nice hands. You were making it as an aside point though I think, it's not so much about the merits of raising TP or not except insofar as your first point in the video that good players may do something because it works for their overall strategy and their ranges.
For a non-native English speaker like me it's pretty hard to understand all you're trying to say :/
Anyway, I guess you may be right in regards to equity and it might be my own fault of using wrong words. Vs a polarised range it's pretty easy to play overall that's kinda what I was getting at. You can put villain on a pretty specific and more accurate range when it gets to the river and adjust your ranges accordingly.
Pretty nice video. Finally getting some HU content for essential.
Some ideias for next HU videos:
Overall pf game plan regarding: calling 3bets and 4bets / 3betting and 4betting light /3 betting and 4betting linear/polarized
As someone pointed out, selecting some HH's and trying to make an especial video just for reasoning behind overbets on turn's and rivers, both as bluff and value, would be pretty awesome.
I do agree with all your points on this video about dubious flop c/r with toppair and FD with showdown value
The most of my profit on poker came from head's up although I actually never had a solid game plan. Any tips on how to develop it ? A video on initial thoughts on how to develop a solid game plan for HU would be nice. But I guess this is way more complicated than it appears, right ?
Other thing, after already having a solid game plan, how does it changes according to different villains, does the game plan already has it's own adaptation against several different opponents or witch opponent requires an peculiar derivation from the original game plan ?
Cheers
Well, I would say that "having a gameplan" kinda means knowing how various ranges work in various scenarios. Basically if you're a 6-max player then you really know how UTG opening range works more or less on a specific board texture. So it's kinda the same at HU tho the only issue is how wide those ranges actually are. I spent lots and lots of hours with crEV checking my own ranges just to make see how close I was to smthing I'd call myself a pretty solid gameplan on various board textures. But it does come as well with experience, you can't neglect that. Again, I'm not a HU expert, I'd probably get my ass handed to me by a lot of 2/4$ real HU players who battle rags at those stakes so I can't provide that good of an answer to this question.
Regarding adjustments. Well, it's kinda the same thing as in 6-max really. I do think though that having a strong gameplan is more important than being able to make adjustments but it might be just me.
Made video about starting tables against 40bb players
I'm sorry I don't follow you. Did you mean this as a suggestion as in "Make a vid...."?
Overall pf game plan regarding: calling 3bets and 4bets / 3betting and 4betting light /3 betting and 4betting linear/polarized 1time! :)
Nice video Jonas, I like that you've identified that there isn't much HU content for essential members and are correcting that.
If you'd like a few suggestions for future videos. I'll suggest
(i) Explanation of a good check-raising range on various flop textures.
(ii) More time spent on how to play 3-bet pots.
(iii) Some time spent on how to play in pots that are check-raised on the flop.
(iv) Explanation of how we should change our play when play is 200BB+ deep.
Thanks everyone for ideas for my next vid. Though my next vid. is already on the way and should be uploaded in the following few days and it's not going to be about HU. I do promise that the vid. following my next one will def. be HU.
I am with d4rk. 3betting ranges and how to adjust them versus different players. Calling 3bets and 4 betting and calling 4bets.
Hey, some of your questions were answered in one of my previous vid named On demand: feedback and requests.
There should be a part 1 till 10 gto hu nl with every part explaining. Now I have to check out different players with different views. And 10 other parts for the elite. Now it is too widespread and not always supporting one common gto play. After that maybe explaining exploiting players. I think this is necessary to cover all the leaks and too improve quality and the speed of learning. Video is ok in my view:) Well done.
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