great video.
at 23min you bet 1/3rd pot with AQhh on a54, are you cbetting ur range here for this size? or splitting and checking back TT-KK, Axs,AA?
at 27min, you discuss raising larger with tighter range and smaller with looser range. But, if we have stronger range, then dont we need to give opponents better odds out of BB to call if we have stronger range? I know that if we raise larger with weaker hands then that has its own problems as we are putting more money in with weaker hands, but when we raise larger with stronger range, then dont we often not get action?
Cheers, at 23 i'd say a good default strategy would be to bet the value aces and TT-JJ, check QQ,KK plus the weaker blocker aces - there won't be as many of these in this situation because I don't get to 3bet light often.
27 - I think that's a dangerous pattern of logic that is easy to get stuck with - the fundamentals of opening sizing suggests that the tighter the range (given the same parameters) the larger the sizing. eg. we should raise more hands for a minraise playing HU than we would using a 3x strategy. Also on an FT with ICM implications we are even less incentivised to attempt to induce action with any hands other than the premium pairs, and I cannot advocate for an overall strategy that involves consistently playing those hands in a dramatically different manner to the rest of your range.
Great video as usual James. I particularly liked the last hand example with AK vs AJ. While we never know for sure whether Mexicanpoker was influenced by your somewhat loose aggressive final table image, I think it is reasonable to assume it may have. You mention from Mexicanpoker's perspective, the decision to flat, 3 bet fold, or 5 bet jam is somewhat close. I agree while he has assumptions about your 4 bet range at this point, he really knows nothing conclusively. Particularly on a final table, when in Mexicanpoker's position as a near chip leader, does it not generally speaking make more sense to assume you as also a near chip leader have an extremely tight 4B range? While I suppose it makes us exploitable to at least an initial 4 bet, with the ICM implications, I think folding to your 4 bet, is a fairly easy decision.
Whether or not he flats your initial raise or 3 bets is definitely debatable. I think in general, assuming a strong 4 bet range at a final table where stacks are relatively short seems to be a wise default strategy.
I really enjoy your videos, and the thought you put into them.
Thanks for those comments Jeffrey - I would have to say it's too dangerous to go making assumptions like that about my 4b range always being really tight there for eg. - sometimes it will be but sometimes the opposite could be true (often it will simply be balanced!).. that's my job as a poker player, to figure out what assumptions different people might be making. Any time we make generalisations about our opponents' play always being perhaps extremely inflexible or unbalanced, we should first be certain that we are giving the opponent the proper level of credit they deserve and that there isn't some degree of superiority/ego bias clouding our judgement.
I would say GTO's popularity now is a reflection of players dumbing down that bias, giving their opponents more respect and seeking the refuge of unexploitability - the people that don't develop that sort of maturity and keep thinking that they know "people never bluff here" or these sorts of thoughts and having them dictate their play tend to be the ones that can't beat the games these days, so it's been a natural evolution to see this new mentality in those still in the games now. Also, in keeping with this series, this is a predominant emotional factor IMO that leads to players playing poorly in late game MTTs - too much assuming that they are a level above their opponents and can make all sorts of major exploitative adjustments without seeing how their opponents are actually exploiting them in many cases.
Maybe that sounds a little contradictory - I do think it's possible to be a step ahead of many opponents in certain situations (hence the art of mtts video).. the skill is in understanding your opponents' personality and interpreting from an unbiased perspective. All that is to say that, yeah, I don't think getting in AJo as a standard is a good idea :).
thanks - in general it would depend extremely heavily on the tendencies of the players involved in the hand as well as the grander picture. although truthfully i don't think i would have one here.
Regarding the AK vs AJ hand how would you have proceeded on the 392ss board if mexicanpoker would flated your small 4 bet? Also, how would have you proceeded if the board came w/ a dry J or a Q? I come across this spot live and hate folding when I have invested 1/3 pot but for me it is usually player/tendencies dependent; and the frequency as to if my opponent will fold to a small c-bet when he misses or ships when he hits a piece. Which seems to me to be the "standard" play in live mtt's. I have issues live play if i should plug a hand in a sim or play my specific opponents tendencies, this video has helped me alot in that regard. Thanks, keep up the great work.
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great video.
at 23min you bet 1/3rd pot with AQhh on a54, are you cbetting ur range here for this size? or splitting and checking back TT-KK, Axs,AA?
at 27min, you discuss raising larger with tighter range and smaller with looser range. But, if we have stronger range, then dont we need to give opponents better odds out of BB to call if we have stronger range? I know that if we raise larger with weaker hands then that has its own problems as we are putting more money in with weaker hands, but when we raise larger with stronger range, then dont we often not get action?
Cheers, at 23 i'd say a good default strategy would be to bet the value aces and TT-JJ, check QQ,KK plus the weaker blocker aces - there won't be as many of these in this situation because I don't get to 3bet light often.
27 - I think that's a dangerous pattern of logic that is easy to get stuck with - the fundamentals of opening sizing suggests that the tighter the range (given the same parameters) the larger the sizing. eg. we should raise more hands for a minraise playing HU than we would using a 3x strategy. Also on an FT with ICM implications we are even less incentivised to attempt to induce action with any hands other than the premium pairs, and I cannot advocate for an overall strategy that involves consistently playing those hands in a dramatically different manner to the rest of your range.
Great video as usual James. I particularly liked the last hand example with AK vs AJ. While we never know for sure whether Mexicanpoker was influenced by your somewhat loose aggressive final table image, I think it is reasonable to assume it may have. You mention from Mexicanpoker's perspective, the decision to flat, 3 bet fold, or 5 bet jam is somewhat close. I agree while he has assumptions about your 4 bet range at this point, he really knows nothing conclusively. Particularly on a final table, when in Mexicanpoker's position as a near chip leader, does it not generally speaking make more sense to assume you as also a near chip leader have an extremely tight 4B range? While I suppose it makes us exploitable to at least an initial 4 bet, with the ICM implications, I think folding to your 4 bet, is a fairly easy decision.
Whether or not he flats your initial raise or 3 bets is definitely debatable. I think in general, assuming a strong 4 bet range at a final table where stacks are relatively short seems to be a wise default strategy.
I really enjoy your videos, and the thought you put into them.
Thanks for those comments Jeffrey - I would have to say it's too dangerous to go making assumptions like that about my 4b range always being really tight there for eg. - sometimes it will be but sometimes the opposite could be true (often it will simply be balanced!).. that's my job as a poker player, to figure out what assumptions different people might be making. Any time we make generalisations about our opponents' play always being perhaps extremely inflexible or unbalanced, we should first be certain that we are giving the opponent the proper level of credit they deserve and that there isn't some degree of superiority/ego bias clouding our judgement.
I would say GTO's popularity now is a reflection of players dumbing down that bias, giving their opponents more respect and seeking the refuge of unexploitability - the people that don't develop that sort of maturity and keep thinking that they know "people never bluff here" or these sorts of thoughts and having them dictate their play tend to be the ones that can't beat the games these days, so it's been a natural evolution to see this new mentality in those still in the games now. Also, in keeping with this series, this is a predominant emotional factor IMO that leads to players playing poorly in late game MTTs - too much assuming that they are a level above their opponents and can make all sorts of major exploitative adjustments without seeing how their opponents are actually exploiting them in many cases.
Maybe that sounds a little contradictory - I do think it's possible to be a step ahead of many opponents in certain situations (hence the art of mtts video).. the skill is in understanding your opponents' personality and interpreting from an unbiased perspective. All that is to say that, yeah, I don't think getting in AJo as a standard is a good idea :).
I liked this video a lot
great vid!
Hi great video. With the AQs spot on the button with 33 bbs vs a co steal what is your 3-bet jamming range? Assuming you have one.
thanks - in general it would depend extremely heavily on the tendencies of the players involved in the hand as well as the grander picture. although truthfully i don't think i would have one here.
Wow great video, the rambles are amazing and some of the best content on here. Please make more videos and don't stop rambling.
Regarding the AK vs AJ hand how would you have proceeded on the 392ss board if mexicanpoker would flated your small 4 bet? Also, how would have you proceeded if the board came w/ a dry J or a Q? I come across this spot live and hate folding when I have invested 1/3 pot but for me it is usually player/tendencies dependent; and the frequency as to if my opponent will fold to a small c-bet when he misses or ships when he hits a piece. Which seems to me to be the "standard" play in live mtt's. I have issues live play if i should plug a hand in a sim or play my specific opponents tendencies, this video has helped me alot in that regard. Thanks, keep up the great work.
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