cool, finally a dutch with a bearable accent :D nice first vdeo teanuss. I enjoyed that u come to the point very fast without missing any information . it just makes fr a nice flow of the video. welcome and nice video man.
Shouldn't you bluffcatch 8x by the strength of your blocker instead of the strength of your kicker? A hand like 8x6s is a much better hand since it blocks flushes and straights and it's still a fine bluffcatcher since he isn't bluffing better.
Great first video overall you seem to have extremely solid fundamentals.
Yes really good point, much better to call here with a hand like 6s8x or even 8xQs, probably made some wrong assumptions here that he is barreling so wide that we can call any decent 8x.
Villain has a bluffing range and a value range that contain 10x, is it still bad to have it in our hand? Also we don't have any spade in our hand while busted spades are also a part of his bluffing range i would assume. Given that, do you still think it's a fold there?
I think we are folding way too much on the river if we fold QT because teunuss probably has (T9o?), JTo, QTo etc on the river. Nice debut video by the way teunuss
i didnt even think about Mark for a second when i said this .:( it was just all in fun , dont be so serious guys. dutch guys usually have a really thick accent.
Great job! I like the format of the video and that you show HU tables etc makes it very authentic, like a normal Session of someone who is not playing a lot of tables.
I don't get that 34s x/r on the turn. You say it is nice to x/r turns so you can x/r with this hand. You also said though that he would fire 3 pretty often, so why not just delay you x/r range till the river and x/r this hand as well?
You explain your thoughts pretty clear, well done. Groetjes!
Like I said I like having a mixed strategy here, it's true that he barrels this turn a lot, but I also think he barrels quite alot with hands that won't bet the river but still beat me, so thats why I think calling is not +ev if he checks back too often, we want to punish that strategy by c/rìng some turns.
Will probably finish this footage because people seem to really like this style, I do think making a concept video about a 4bet defense strategy could be really interesting, so perhaps for a future series.
nice video teunuss. at around @6 when you 3bet ATo how do you like building a checking range on those kind of flops n going for a delayed cbet or check/calling flop n betting river when it goes check check turn? I feel that it works better as a bluff and avoids difficult turn spots since its plausible to take this line with slowplay boats and AK, KQ, Kx even 9s, also because he could rep a 9 floatting the flop since connectors are n suited gappers with 9 hits his range harder than yours.
I think in general you can have two types of strategies on dry boards like this in this particular spot. I don't call any hands in the sb vs co, so I only 3b with the top 15-18% of hands, which already makes my range reall strong. I think you can choose for strategy A: betting with a really high frequency on dry boards like this for a smaller amount, the bet itself should make this +ev. Or strategy B: c/c way more than betting, because we have hands with good showdown value quite alot.
I think that strategy B is better on a dry board like this (9x9xKx), because we have a lot of hands that don't really want to bet three times for value like KTs/KJ/KQ/QQ/JJ/TT So I like your strategy for c/c'ing AT/AJ/AQ en bluf with some of those on the river, we can easily balance this by c/cing Kx and the occasional 9x, KK, AA.
Strategy A works a lot better on a dry board like 8x4x2x because than we have a lot of hands with good overcards, and catch a lot of turns we can barrel on.
One question though. I was wondering do you ever play live poker? If yes, do you ever get annoyed at your opponents, proceed to bite them, and then fall on the floor clutching your face feigning injury and claim innocence when the security asks you to leave?
With the 34s hand, what is villain's correct counter strategy facing a check raise if he knows your exact strategy (c/r 34s and 54s and some sets/straights and jam every river?) Is calling turn and folding river burning money?
I was thinking that on that board and those positions, the villain should have a strategy in which he divides almost 100% of his range in to hands that either call both turn and river, or fold to a turn c/r. Maybe an argument can me made for some drawing hands that call the river only when they hit, but I think most of the villains range vs teunuss' strategy should be played as described above.
22:30 table 5 with Q10o On that board you always have for value a 1 pair hand, because you would raise ur 2pairs, sets and straight. Doesnt he kinda have to bluff 100% on the time on the river because ur hand is face up(and ur folding ur bad toppairs)? So doesnt it mean you should always call with your toppair?
Nice video! 30 20 You say that checking back A4 on T97xx A is a mistake. I definitely think your check back was the best play.
You're repping a range of give ups and weak-medium hands that either want to get to showdown, or not put in that much money. So to protect that range, imo we have to check the ace turn. Especially with no kicker.
And it's not like we turn any draws to balance out, since we'd mostly bet QJ/KJ etc. on the flop.
Agree, probably was a little result oriented, but I do think we can get a ton of value from weaker hands with Ax on the turn and we get a lot of bad rivers like now. But we can't bet 2 streets with it either way, so checking back turn, calling a lot of rivers or valuebetting myself to protect our checkback range makes a ton of sense. And bet our AJ/AQ/AT/A9/A7 twice.
Around 20min mark, you 3bet 75ss and proceed to bet J36cc flop and x/f 5c turn. Don't you think villain floats here with all his overs? i feel like AT/AQ/KQ/KT all float this flop and esp. if they have a club. Also what do you think about x/r this hand? We can fold out all non jack/non FD hands and get value from the air that he bets.
Yes he does float with a lot of overs, but a c/r strategy is just really hard to play good and balanced, I'd rather just have a c/c and bet range. I think this hand is good to barrel on a ton of runouts that don't have a club. So even though we fold the best hand here some % of the time, I don't think that really matter, cause we barrel enough hands on the turn with better eq and strength.
c/ring just gets weird on a lot of turns with shallow stacks.
TheArchivist10 years, 6 months agoThanks for the response, I play on Bovada (anonymous) so do you agree balancing isn't as important for me?
another question.. @29 on the bottom left table HU, you folded 78o for a 3bet. how tight is his 3betting % for it not to be a profitable call in position 200bb deep? would you have called with ATo for instance?
1. 8:15 tbl 3. I feel like T9o has decent showdown value against villain's bet/give up range. I feel that if he does have a bluff catcher he will often make the call, as he probably should. i'm in a dilemma since although I feel that in this spot we're not going to have a lot of bluffs, our bluff EV must be > our check down EV for our bluff to work. perhaps this would be a spot we just don't bluff much at all or could bet with a very small sizing
2. 15:45 tbl 4, often times I see this as a check back hand. one of the reasons why you bet is it because villain isn't supposed to c/r you very often here?
3. last hand, you said you have a linear range once you 3bet hu from BB. why is your range linear instead of polarized. we still have a BB flatting range, don't we want to leave some good hands in there?
1. Him checking back the K, it makes sense for him to have Kx and Ax quite a bit here, like you said, we dont have that many blufs, so I like bluffing my Tx hands here, could def bet a bit smaller.
2. Yes its a board that favours me over him quite a bit, so I didn't expect to get c/r that often here. Because it favours me, I like to bet a smaller amount and put some thin valuebets in there.
3. Player in seat 2 is not seated so I am sb here.
The 43s hand I like your explanation of the benefits of having a x/r range but then you say you plan on jamming every river. If your turn x/r hands are 54s and 43s, then it seems like you're never giving up after x/r turn. Then it seems to me that you either are way overbluffing the river or that you're underbluffing the turn and should add a few x/r give up river hands. I'm a bit conflicted here because I can't really think of hands where x/r turn, x river makes a ton of sense, but if you're never giving up then you're very exploitable to people who tend to choose between fold turn and call turn/call river (not an uncommon tendency in my experience.) Thoughts?
Excellent first video, pace was great and as Dario said very clear and concise.
If we are slowplaying the turn as well as c/r with our valuehands, we can add the appropiate amount of valuecombo's to our 34 and 45s hands to be balanced
balanced on the river maybe, but if we have no bluff raise turn, giveup river hands then we are not balanced on the turn and our opponent can exploit us by playing either call/call or fold turn, but never call turn/fold river (except on those rivers that improve our bluffs)
at 32:30, with Q8, why was the board run out good to bluff? Obviously he has more Kx than you, but what else about it makes it a good run out?....... also at 6 min with ATo , i saw your comment that it better to c/c a lot. do you not advocate not cbetting at all on this board? and check calling everything?
not that happy about my zoom results since the sample is quite big, think it also has to do with playing too many tables next to my zoom tables (usually 8 or something)
difference between 5/10 and below is quite huge so guess some struggles at the beginning of moving up is quite standard.
Not sure how to devide it into different number of players
HU overall 5bb 3handed 2bb 4-5 handed -1.5bb 6max 2.77bb, mostly cause of zoom, others are 6.5bb
41:19 HU vs Hatrick19911 and we have Aks
flop J8s 3 and with 3 we hit a backdoor.
Why u start IP with checkking flop?
Because it's a good hand that can call a villain turn bet and hit good some card that villain want to bluff river?
sry for my English :)
@5.20 he calls the reraise on the turn and then folds to the river jam. What hands is in his range when he calls there do you think and then later folds?
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cool, finally a dutch with a bearable accent :D nice first vdeo teanuss. I enjoyed that u come to the point very fast without missing any information . it just makes fr a nice flow of the video. welcome and nice video man.
thanks zaza
32min bottom left
Shouldn't you bluffcatch 8x by the strength of your blocker instead of the strength of your kicker? A hand like 8x6s is a much better hand since it blocks flushes and straights and it's still a fine bluffcatcher since he isn't bluffing better.
Great first video overall you seem to have extremely solid fundamentals.
Yes really good point, much better to call here with a hand like 6s8x or even 8xQs, probably made some wrong assumptions here that he is barreling so wide that we can call any decent 8x.
Liverpool fan? I like you.
Actually a big Suarez fan, I support Ajax.
But I actually hate Barca, so have to find a new avatar soon :(
still got that avatar ;)
22:30 table 5 with Q10o,
Villain has a bluffing range and a value range that contain 10x, is it still bad to have it in our hand? Also we don't have any spade in our hand while busted spades are also a part of his bluffing range i would assume. Given that, do you still think it's a fold there?
Still think we have enough better hands to call with than this one, we have every combo of JQ, J9, Q9, QK, and a high % of 99, so I like my fold.
I think we are folding way too much on the river if we fold QT because teunuss probably has (T9o?), JTo, QTo etc on the river. Nice debut video by the way teunuss
hahahaah mark ur forever in my heart , u know this :P
What's wrong with Marks accent he is dutch? I could not care how people sound if they provide useful content.
i didnt even think about Mark for a second when i said this .:( it was just all in fun , dont be so serious guys. dutch guys usually have a really thick accent.
Ban this troll.
Great job! I like the format of the video and that you show HU tables etc makes it very authentic, like a normal Session of someone who is not playing a lot of tables.
I don't get that 34s x/r on the turn. You say it is nice to x/r turns so you can x/r with this hand. You also said though that he would fire 3 pretty often, so why not just delay you x/r range till the river and x/r this hand as well?
You explain your thoughts pretty clear, well done. Groetjes!
Like I said I like having a mixed strategy here, it's true that he barrels this turn a lot, but I also think he barrels quite alot with hands that won't bet the river but still beat me, so thats why I think calling is not +ev if he checks back too often, we want to punish that strategy by c/rìng some turns.
Video on your 4bet defense plz
Will probably finish this footage because people seem to really like this style, I do think making a concept video about a 4bet defense strategy could be really interesting, so perhaps for a future series.
nice video teunuss. at around @6 when you 3bet ATo how do you like building a checking range on those kind of flops n going for a delayed cbet or check/calling flop n betting river when it goes check check turn? I feel that it works better as a bluff and avoids difficult turn spots since its plausible to take this line with slowplay boats and AK, KQ, Kx even 9s, also because he could rep a 9 floatting the flop since connectors are n suited gappers with 9 hits his range harder than yours.
I think in general you can have two types of strategies on dry boards like this in this particular spot.
I don't call any hands in the sb vs co, so I only 3b with the top 15-18% of hands, which already makes my range reall strong. I think you can choose for strategy A: betting with a really high frequency on dry boards like this for a smaller amount, the bet itself should make this +ev.
Or strategy B: c/c way more than betting, because we have hands with good showdown value quite alot.
I think that strategy B is better on a dry board like this (9x9xKx), because we have a lot of hands that don't really want to bet three times for value like KTs/KJ/KQ/QQ/JJ/TT
So I like your strategy for c/c'ing AT/AJ/AQ en bluf with some of those on the river, we can easily balance this by c/cing Kx and the occasional 9x, KK, AA.
Strategy A works a lot better on a dry board like 8x4x2x because than we have a lot of hands with good overcards, and catch a lot of turns we can barrel on.
Definitely a nice RIO debut. :D
Haha yes I heard there was some overuse of that word :D, will try and avoid it next video :)
Great video, really enjoyed it.
One question though. I was wondering do you ever play live poker? If yes, do you ever get annoyed at your opponents, proceed to bite them, and then fall on the floor clutching your face feigning injury and claim innocence when the security asks you to leave?
ban this troll lol
With the 34s hand, what is villain's correct counter strategy facing a check raise if he knows your exact strategy (c/r 34s and 54s and some sets/straights and jam every river?) Is calling turn and folding river burning money?
I was thinking that on that board and those positions, the villain should have a strategy in which he divides almost 100% of his range in to hands that either call both turn and river, or fold to a turn c/r. Maybe an argument can me made for some drawing hands that call the river only when they hit, but I think most of the villains range vs teunuss' strategy should be played as described above.
22:30 table 5 with Q10o
On that board you always have for value a 1 pair hand, because you would raise ur 2pairs, sets and straight. Doesnt he kinda have to bluff 100% on the time on the river because ur hand is face up(and ur folding ur bad toppairs)? So doesnt it mean you should always call with your toppair?
Great debute.
Very good content, more of exactly this type of 6max/hu mix.
Nice video!
30 20 You say that checking back A4 on T97xx A is a mistake. I definitely think your check back was the best play.
You're repping a range of give ups and weak-medium hands that either want to get to showdown, or not put in that much money.
So to protect that range, imo we have to check the ace turn. Especially with no kicker.
And it's not like we turn any draws to balance out, since we'd mostly bet QJ/KJ etc. on the flop.
Thoughts?
Agree, probably was a little result oriented, but I do think we can get a ton of value from weaker hands with Ax on the turn and we get a lot of bad rivers like now. But we can't bet 2 streets with it either way, so checking back turn, calling a lot of rivers or valuebetting myself to protect our checkback range makes a ton of sense. And bet our AJ/AQ/AT/A9/A7 twice.
Liked because you said "the program Check Raise EV".
Around 20min mark, you 3bet 75ss and proceed to bet J36cc flop and x/f 5c turn. Don't you think villain floats here with all his overs? i feel like AT/AQ/KQ/KT all float this flop and esp. if they have a club. Also what do you think about x/r this hand? We can fold out all non jack/non FD hands and get value from the air that he bets.
Yes he does float with a lot of overs, but a c/r strategy is just really hard to play good and balanced, I'd rather just have a c/c and bet range. I think this hand is good to barrel on a ton of runouts that don't have a club. So even though we fold the best hand here some % of the time, I don't think that really matter, cause we barrel enough hands on the turn with better eq and strength.
c/ring just gets weird on a lot of turns with shallow stacks.
another question.. @29 on the bottom left table HU, you folded 78o for a 3bet. how tight is his 3betting % for it not to be a profitable call in position 200bb deep? would you have called with ATo for instance?
Cool video. and haha @check raise EV
some questions:
1. 8:15 tbl 3. I feel like T9o has decent showdown value against villain's bet/give up range. I feel that if he does have a bluff catcher he will often make the call, as he probably should. i'm in a dilemma since although I feel that in this spot we're not going to have a lot of bluffs, our bluff EV must be > our check down EV for our bluff to work. perhaps this would be a spot we just don't bluff much at all or could bet with a very small sizing
2. 15:45 tbl 4, often times I see this as a check back hand. one of the reasons why you bet is it because villain isn't supposed to c/r you very often here?
3. last hand, you said you have a linear range once you 3bet hu from BB. why is your range linear instead of polarized. we still have a BB flatting range, don't we want to leave some good hands in there?
Thanks!
1. Him checking back the K, it makes sense for him to have Kx and Ax quite a bit here, like you said, we dont have that many blufs, so I like bluffing my Tx hands here, could def bet a bit smaller.
2. Yes its a board that favours me over him quite a bit, so I didn't expect to get c/r that often here.
Because it favours me, I like to bet a smaller amount and put some thin valuebets in there.
3. Player in seat 2 is not seated so I am sb here.
The 43s hand I like your explanation of the benefits of having a x/r range but then you say you plan on jamming every river. If your turn x/r hands are 54s and 43s, then it seems like you're never giving up after x/r turn. Then it seems to me that you either are way overbluffing the river or that you're underbluffing the turn and should add a few x/r give up river hands. I'm a bit conflicted here because I can't really think of hands where x/r turn, x river makes a ton of sense, but if you're never giving up then you're very exploitable to people who tend to choose between fold turn and call turn/call river (not an uncommon tendency in my experience.) Thoughts?
Excellent first video, pace was great and as Dario said very clear and concise.
If we are slowplaying the turn as well as c/r with our valuehands, we can add the appropiate amount of valuecombo's to our 34 and 45s hands to be balanced
balanced on the river maybe, but if we have no bluff raise turn, giveup river hands then we are not balanced on the turn and our opponent can exploit us by playing either call/call or fold turn, but never call turn/fold river (except on those rivers that improve our bluffs)
at 32:30, with Q8, why was the board run out good to bluff? Obviously he has more Kx than you, but what else about it makes it a good run out?....... also at 6 min with ATo , i saw your comment that it better to c/c a lot. do you not advocate not cbetting at all on this board? and check calling everything?
Oooooh this sooo made my day! Really awesome to now know that all that time i've been losing to someone damn solid :D
A bit off-topic question - would you mind sharing your winrates depending on the stakes and on the number of players at the table?
haha haven't seen you in a while tho, where did you go on stars?
overall
5/10 -3bb/100 smaller sample size
3/6 3.8bb
2.5/5 1.3bb
2/4 4.5bb
not that happy about my zoom results since the sample is quite big, think it also has to do with playing too many tables next to my zoom tables (usually 8 or something)
difference between 5/10 and below is quite huge so guess some struggles at the beginning of moving up is quite standard.
Not sure how to devide it into different number of players
HU overall 5bb
3handed 2bb
4-5 handed -1.5bb
6max 2.77bb, mostly cause of zoom, others are 6.5bb
Yea, pretty much what I expected it to be. Thanks for sharing :)
As for myself I was having some outside of poker $$ isues so in short I chose to play higher on other site rather than stars.eu.
41:19 HU vs Hatrick19911 and we have Aks
flop J8s 3 and with 3 we hit a backdoor.
Why u start IP with checkking flop?
Because it's a good hand that can call a villain turn bet and hit good some card that villain want to bluff river?
sry for my English :)
@5.20 he calls the reraise on the turn and then folds to the river jam. What hands is in his range when he calls there do you think and then later folds?
Thanks!
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