17:05 - I always jam this type of hand on the flop in this spot thinking that I can fold out underpairs and trashy 9s while avoiding getting bluffed on future streets. Against a smaller bet, I worry that villain will make some loose or outright terrible peels and later turn the hand into a bluff on a scary board. So I prefer to just force these hands out of the pot ASAP at this SPR. What are the advantages of going smaller?
22:35 - I also agree that a smaller size is better, but your preference for a check confuses me a little bit. What are the advantages of checking as opposed to betting small? I worry that we just end up missing value by checking against 2 loose-passive players in a spot where I definitely want to play for stacks against other Ax.
28:25 - I also want to bet the flop here since our hand is so hungry for protection instead of going for a "standard" range check. What sizing do you prefer? I have been going half pot in similar spots since I find that 1/3 seems to get floated or even spaz bluffed a lot which leaves us in a really tough spot on many turns. I have been considering going bigger here... 2/3 or even 3/4.
37:05 - I always find myself tempted to just outright shove the turn in similar spots. I feel like villain doesn't have very many made hands without big draws that want to continue. But many of villain's draws are big combo draws. I worry that betting your recommended $40 gives these hands odds to continue given villain's implied odds on the river. But I notice that solvers and strong players such as yourself never do this. What is flawed in my logic?
Thanks again for the awesome video, Tariq! I usually have attention span issues when I watch replayer videos, but you managed to keep a fast pace while doing an excellent job of breaking down the many interesting hands in this video. Can't wait for the sequel!
Hand 1: I actually don't mind jamming with the idea of getting those underpairs to fold; seems good!
Hand 2: I definitely prefer checking on this board just because like almost all hands have no equity on this board and I'd rather let someone randomly start bluffing or let them turn a pair and get value on later streets
Hand 3: I think anywhere from 1/3 to 1/2 seems good here
Hand 4: I think jamming is a bit too much here because you fold out some hands that will certainly continue for smaller size; for example a hand like AJ or KQ. I think KQ may be able to find a fold if you jam 2x pot; but if you bet big and river blanks off, now KQ may feel priced in to call and you get the full double
Thanks for the nice comment at the end! Glad you enjoy my content :)
Can you call the 55 from the SB at the 12 min mark vs pretty aggro raiser? I dont know from Hero's HUD here what number is FCBet but if V is Cbetting flop and turn at a pretty aggressive frequency seems like you can still call to set mine.
Your read on the bb is pretty important, if he's aggro then you want to stay far away from flatting these hands as you just open the door for him to squeeze like 20% of hands and then you're forced to fold every time oop.
21:10- I think SB should be checking a lot (possibly even range) on the turn in this spot simply because he's OOP and it's a much better card for our range than his. This is especially true if he's cbetting range, which to be fair is unlikely given the board texture and his sizing.
If I'm right that SB should check a ton here, then his range on the river is completely uncapped and ours naturally is not. He will therefore have a lot of nutted hands he was trapping on the turn with (straights, sets, 2 pair) as well as a lot of one pair hands that he wanted to pot control on the turn with that have now been promoted to hands strong enough to overbet when we check back (KJ, AJ, QQ+). He will also however have a lot of Qx bluffs so I think we have to call with a bluffcatcher as good as KT that unblocks all the aforementioned unpaired Qx bluffs and blocks KQ and a lot of sets and 2 pair.
If you have a population read that people will just automatically barrel the turn with Qx no SDV and/or will underbluff the river then folding is probably OK. To be fair, I would imagine bet/check/overbet to be a pretty underbluffed line in general. Very interesting hand. I'm curious to know what a solver would say and might sim it later.
I am only 13 minutes into the video, but there is a ton of forced aggression with marginal hands and not well constructed ranges. As example 77 SB vs MP open it is going to be a mixed 3bet / fold and since guy had reggish stats would just lean towards folding. Also the 10bb sizing is probably a touch small for generating folds preflop. Typically SB vs MP open you want to 3 bet around 8% of hands, so 77 is going to be a touch wide if you are doing AQ+ 88+ and suited broadways. It's not a bad 3bet but it will just lead to an increase in variance.
Another hand I saw was KJo at 13:12 was KdJh on a Qs 5c 2s board. If you are cbetting this hand, then you are cbetting close to 100% of your range. Usually you want at least one spade or one club so you can bluff back door clubs or front door spades on future streets. Shaun just did a video on range construction cbet in SRP. It was based on OOP, but a lot of the heuristics can be applied to IP at higher frequency. Would work on developing some heuristics for what hands you want to cbet vs check.
26:30 T#1 with Q9o BvB this was a leak I just fixed. The half pot sizing IP vs a SB range is going to be small bet IP at a high frequency. The half pot bet is burning a lot of money long run and really hurts you red line. When ranges are wide, you don't need to bet big against a checking range.
33:00 with JTo (no spade) T#2. I think this is a mindset / strategy problem. I had the same issue with Steve Paul reviewed my footage, where I was betting too thin with TPWK even when flush didn't complete these hands are just going to be high frequency checks and look to bluff catch the river depending on the size. If you bet flop and bet turn with these hands what are you checking back? Your checking back range just ends up being a ton of air, where any time you bet a play Bet + Check line villain can bet 100% of rivers blindly and show a profit. You need these top pair + weak kicker hands to help protect your range here. Even over pairs here are going to be checking back at a high frequency when the flush completes.
For strategy I would work on cbetting about 70% of the time on the flop IP and just checking range OOP on most boards that do not contain at least two broadways. Then on the turn you want to bet TPGK+ and gut shots or random air hands that block their continue range about 40% of your range. As example a board like Q94r IP you can range bet. Then on the turn Q942dd. You can take a free card with a lot of flush draws and J10 hands, but bet your A5, A3, KJ, KT hands as bluffs and your value will be KQ+. You want to stick the QJ QT 9x region into your check back range as bluff catchers. If villain checks a blank river you can value bet your K9, QX, JJ, TT, hands as well as your missed draws J10 or KTd type hands. Betting your flush draws and OESD on the turn is ok in SRP when you plan on triple barreling. In 3BP with lower SPR you want to take a free card with these hands so you don't get XRAI and blown off your equity.
at 48:02, what do you think of going block bet to half pot sizing? You mentioned you like jamming because if he has suited T it's always a flush, but he will very likely be check shoving this hand anyway, same with 99.
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17:05 - I always jam this type of hand on the flop in this spot thinking that I can fold out underpairs and trashy 9s while avoiding getting bluffed on future streets. Against a smaller bet, I worry that villain will make some loose or outright terrible peels and later turn the hand into a bluff on a scary board. So I prefer to just force these hands out of the pot ASAP at this SPR. What are the advantages of going smaller?
22:35 - I also agree that a smaller size is better, but your preference for a check confuses me a little bit. What are the advantages of checking as opposed to betting small? I worry that we just end up missing value by checking against 2 loose-passive players in a spot where I definitely want to play for stacks against other Ax.
28:25 - I also want to bet the flop here since our hand is so hungry for protection instead of going for a "standard" range check. What sizing do you prefer? I have been going half pot in similar spots since I find that 1/3 seems to get floated or even spaz bluffed a lot which leaves us in a really tough spot on many turns. I have been considering going bigger here... 2/3 or even 3/4.
37:05 - I always find myself tempted to just outright shove the turn in similar spots. I feel like villain doesn't have very many made hands without big draws that want to continue. But many of villain's draws are big combo draws. I worry that betting your recommended $40 gives these hands odds to continue given villain's implied odds on the river. But I notice that solvers and strong players such as yourself never do this. What is flawed in my logic?
Thanks again for the awesome video, Tariq! I usually have attention span issues when I watch replayer videos, but you managed to keep a fast pace while doing an excellent job of breaking down the many interesting hands in this video. Can't wait for the sequel!
Hey Unguarded,
Sorry for the late reply!
Hand 1: I actually don't mind jamming with the idea of getting those underpairs to fold; seems good!
Hand 2: I definitely prefer checking on this board just because like almost all hands have no equity on this board and I'd rather let someone randomly start bluffing or let them turn a pair and get value on later streets
Hand 3: I think anywhere from 1/3 to 1/2 seems good here
Hand 4: I think jamming is a bit too much here because you fold out some hands that will certainly continue for smaller size; for example a hand like AJ or KQ. I think KQ may be able to find a fold if you jam 2x pot; but if you bet big and river blanks off, now KQ may feel priced in to call and you get the full double
Thanks for the nice comment at the end! Glad you enjoy my content :)
Can you call the 55 from the SB at the 12 min mark vs pretty aggro raiser? I dont know from Hero's HUD here what number is FCBet but if V is Cbetting flop and turn at a pretty aggressive frequency seems like you can still call to set mine.
Generally only if BB is a weaker player and unlikely to squeeze is my understanding.
Hey, so yea 5ginsilentdarkness basically nailed it here.
Your read on the bb is pretty important, if he's aggro then you want to stay far away from flatting these hands as you just open the door for him to squeeze like 20% of hands and then you're forced to fold every time oop.
21:10- I think SB should be checking a lot (possibly even range) on the turn in this spot simply because he's OOP and it's a much better card for our range than his. This is especially true if he's cbetting range, which to be fair is unlikely given the board texture and his sizing.
If I'm right that SB should check a ton here, then his range on the river is completely uncapped and ours naturally is not. He will therefore have a lot of nutted hands he was trapping on the turn with (straights, sets, 2 pair) as well as a lot of one pair hands that he wanted to pot control on the turn with that have now been promoted to hands strong enough to overbet when we check back (KJ, AJ, QQ+). He will also however have a lot of Qx bluffs so I think we have to call with a bluffcatcher as good as KT that unblocks all the aforementioned unpaired Qx bluffs and blocks KQ and a lot of sets and 2 pair.
If you have a population read that people will just automatically barrel the turn with Qx no SDV and/or will underbluff the river then folding is probably OK. To be fair, I would imagine bet/check/overbet to be a pretty underbluffed line in general. Very interesting hand. I'm curious to know what a solver would say and might sim it later.
I am only 13 minutes into the video, but there is a ton of forced aggression with marginal hands and not well constructed ranges. As example 77 SB vs MP open it is going to be a mixed 3bet / fold and since guy had reggish stats would just lean towards folding. Also the 10bb sizing is probably a touch small for generating folds preflop. Typically SB vs MP open you want to 3 bet around 8% of hands, so 77 is going to be a touch wide if you are doing AQ+ 88+ and suited broadways. It's not a bad 3bet but it will just lead to an increase in variance.
Another hand I saw was KJo at 13:12 was KdJh on a Qs 5c 2s board. If you are cbetting this hand, then you are cbetting close to 100% of your range. Usually you want at least one spade or one club so you can bluff back door clubs or front door spades on future streets. Shaun just did a video on range construction cbet in SRP. It was based on OOP, but a lot of the heuristics can be applied to IP at higher frequency. Would work on developing some heuristics for what hands you want to cbet vs check.
26:30 T#1 with Q9o BvB this was a leak I just fixed. The half pot sizing IP vs a SB range is going to be small bet IP at a high frequency. The half pot bet is burning a lot of money long run and really hurts you red line. When ranges are wide, you don't need to bet big against a checking range.
33:00 with JTo (no spade) T#2. I think this is a mindset / strategy problem. I had the same issue with Steve Paul reviewed my footage, where I was betting too thin with TPWK even when flush didn't complete these hands are just going to be high frequency checks and look to bluff catch the river depending on the size. If you bet flop and bet turn with these hands what are you checking back? Your checking back range just ends up being a ton of air, where any time you bet a play Bet + Check line villain can bet 100% of rivers blindly and show a profit. You need these top pair + weak kicker hands to help protect your range here. Even over pairs here are going to be checking back at a high frequency when the flush completes.
For strategy I would work on cbetting about 70% of the time on the flop IP and just checking range OOP on most boards that do not contain at least two broadways. Then on the turn you want to bet TPGK+ and gut shots or random air hands that block their continue range about 40% of your range. As example a board like Q94r IP you can range bet. Then on the turn Q942dd. You can take a free card with a lot of flush draws and J10 hands, but bet your A5, A3, KJ, KT hands as bluffs and your value will be KQ+. You want to stick the QJ QT 9x region into your check back range as bluff catchers. If villain checks a blank river you can value bet your K9, QX, JJ, TT, hands as well as your missed draws J10 or KTd type hands. Betting your flush draws and OESD on the turn is ok in SRP when you plan on triple barreling. In 3BP with lower SPR you want to take a free card with these hands so you don't get XRAI and blown off your equity.
Where can I find good preflop charts?
at 48:02, what do you think of going block bet to half pot sizing? You mentioned you like jamming because if he has suited T it's always a flush, but he will very likely be check shoving this hand anyway, same with 99.
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