$100NL Live: Using the HUD to Make Exploitative Reads
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Looks like the games were really good. Nice video.
4:30 That Q72r spot was pretty interesting. I thought a hand like Q8 would be one of the better 1 pair bluff catchers without a backdoor flush blocker, and that bvb, the villain who could have around a 60% bb flat vs sb range, is presenting a highly polarized 3 barrel, would show up with so much junk that their range would be under a lot of pressure to bluff that type of spot. Are they barreling Q7o for 3 streets on that river? probably not. I think that is a way overbluffed spot given the action throughout the hand, especially the flop raise, and taking into account the villain's small sample size but high vpip.
So I simmed that spot to see what an equilibrium could look like, and Q8 of spades and diamonds are both indifferent bluff catches on the river in theory, about as good as KQ and slightly more profitable than Q6s as a bluff catch. If you think the villain is getting out of line with their betting frequencies and barreling with the wrong types of hands, (they should be taking the passive action more often with their range on all streets except 50/50 on the river, and a spot where raising and then 3 barreling doesn't occur all that often), it could be a profitable exploitative call to make.
At pio equilibrium it's actually a better call than KQ with a club, although pio balances bluffs with Ac and Kc so it makes sense that you don't want to block bluffs.
Hey!
Thanks for doing detailed work on this hand and providing all the relevant screen shots I greatly appreciate that!
Yea it felt quite close in game and given how wide the villain is, I think I should definitely be calling given he can probably just show up with a ton of random hands bvb.
I think it was a mistake on my end and it was very cool to see the pio analysis of this as I did not sim this hand.
Cheers!
As a micro/low stakes player in the US, I greatly appreciate your videos. It's nice to see sites and stakes that are more relatable.
Good format as well. Mimics the flow of a real sesh and analysis.
Thanks!
Comments like these make me really happy! So thank you!
In the video when you say "Q9s will be an open from the cutoff." It would be nice to hear the bottom of your range from each position, at least for Qx, like "I'll open Q8s+ from the cutoff." Earlier in the video you also mentioned A9s makes it into your opening range from UTG. Are you opening A5s-A3s and folding A8s-A6s? I've been mixing A8s+ & A5s-A3s, but folding A7s, A6s, and A2s. From MP i'll open all AXS.
Tight range:
UTG (12.4%): 55+, AJo+, KQo+, ATBs+, A9s+, A5s-A3s.
MP (16.6%): 55+, AT+, KJ+ A2s+, K9s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T9s+.
CO (24.1%): 33+, ATB+, A2s+, K6s+, Q8s+, 97s+, 65s+,
BTN(37.3%) 22+, A4o+, K9o+, Q9o+, J9o+, T9o+, A2s+, K2s+, Q7s+, J7s+, T7s+, 64s+, 54s+
What do you think of this range? Usually opening 2.5x from all positions and 3x from SB. Recently trying 2.5x even in SB. For isolation, I usually go with CO range. If i'm in MP and UTG limps, i'll iso basically entire MP range. For button I mostly trimmed off Q6s-Q2s as I am not sure how profitable those hands are and a lot of other marginal suited hands like 96s, 85s, & J5s. The K8o-98o range (8Xo) seems to be lower frequency opens on the button, so my button range is decently tight overall.
Any feed back?
I'll comment on the ranges you gave:
UTG: I also open KJo but the rest is the same. Oh and I open 44
MP: Looks about the same I think i fold J9s tho. Oh and I open any pair
CO: I open all pairs; A9o+, K5s+. I'll also open 86s
BTN: I will open K8o, Q8o, and the rest looks the same!
I hope that helps to understand my ranges. Quite similar as expected
Made a chart based on what you said. The Dark red I guess is frequency, where I have the button in the lighter red as pure open and I guess darker red depends on how aggro the blinds are.
Are you showing profit with small pairs from MP 22-44? I see most people losing with these hands and 98s-54s as well. Although some coaches open 65s+ from MP, just not sure it's profitable or just used for board coverage. Any other adjustments please let us know.
16 min mark you face this donk bet and choose to raise the flop with range advantage. I agree with your play, but blockers could be a bit better as you have Qc9c and there is 2c2s5x on the board. So I think you want to have Q, K, A of Diamond or hearts in your hand to block some deuce X. I would also split my slow plays that way as well. If I have a hand like AhAd blocking A2h and A2d I would be more likely to fast play targeting his middle pairs. Where unblocking I would wanna pot control a bit more I guess, even though neither of you should have many 2x in range besides A2s and K2s.
Anyways getting off topic of what I made this comment. Wanted to request a video of facing donk bets and how to deal with them.
While I agree with your blocker analysis, I don't think that's relevant enough to change our decision here.
I think people randomly lead stuff on these boards and over fold to any aggression!
Also, I'll note down that video topic I think that's a great idea
You think 99-QQ here we should just fast play still even though they over fold? Slow play KK+ and let them barrel?
Yea maybe like call QQ+ and raise the 99-JJ makes the most sense
30:15 mark I wonder if you range is capped here at ace high? Are you value betting your over pairs here on the river? I feel if villain is on high enough level here, he can value bet 66-99 here pretty easily against your range or mostly AX. I've been owned by some really mergy players like this quite a few times. Basically same thought process you had.
I don't think I am capped at A high here. I think I'll retain several overpairs.
Notice how his VPIP is 73. Vs these types I generally do alot more checking and just let them blast off as they usually do.
Hope this helps!
@ 30:30
i learned something recently that states:
in river spots similar to that one when you are OOP it is sometimes best to lead out 2/3 pot or so even if you will lose more than 50% of the time because you prevent yourself from getting bluffed and you may bluff out some of the IP player more marginal made hands that would go for thin value... and if they have something like AcQc now they have to consider if you had pocket 88
thoughts?
Uhm, this logic may apply to a more "standard" opponent.
However, our opponent is playing 73vpip over a decent sample so we know he's quite erratic and out of line. So given that I definitely don't wanna be leading out for 2/3 pot on the river as I think his range is comprised of SOOOO many pure airballs and I think he's gonna bluff with all of those at nearly 100% frq when checked to.
I hope this helped. Cheers!
yeah that makes sense
cool
cheers !
The ranges you mentioned in a comment above are quite tight, is this because of the high rake? I'm playing 50NL ,hoping to move to 100NL but am using much wider ranges than these. Do you think there is merit to playing looser than this in a high rake environment?
Why don't you share some of your ranges? There are many variables to consider such a RFI sizing 2bb-3bb, position, effective stack sizes, robust equity, fold equity, skill edge etc
For me personally, I don't pay for Monker or anything and mostly just use snowie for a lot of stuff, so my ranges will be a little off compared to some modern ranges. They are working very well though over 105k hands that I tracked. I don't have a hud, but track each session for the app I play on. I tightened up in some spots because blinds have been aggressive or they are calling stations with hands that require FE or I struggle against donk bets as well. Mixture of stuff that boils down to my skill edge and using semi tight ranges.
You mostly only see a couple coaches on here above a 25 vpip, which is Drluck3 and sauce123, I think they hover 29-32 vpips. A lot of coaches are 21-24 vpip from what I've seen, so this range should be that region.
What site are you playing on? I was opening a lot of K9s Q9s J9s 76s from UTG before, but most data bases show they are losing money, so I stopped opening them.
Hi Ginyu! As RunItTwice mention, could you share your ranges?
I think mine are relatively normal and not too tight and not too loose either.
However, in a high rake environment you generally want to play tighter not looser as people generally call a lot!
Man, Tariq Haji - I really wish you had made at least 10 of these videos and released them about a year ago because they are very informative and helpful. But I don't like to complain, so I'll just be happy and content that you are making them now =)
Your exploitative folding is inspiring. I've been running pretty bad for the past 10k hands (completely normal, I know), and during a period of running bad it can feel like we are just getting pushed around and chewed up in every hand and it feels like making a big fold is the last thing that would help to turn things around, but having you talk through the exploitative folds reaffirms to me that making cold, solid, calculated, emotionless decisions and ignoring variance is the only real way to play. Your exploits also seem to be solid and based on GTO fundamentals and not just you playing crazy and justifying it by claiming your plays are exploits (as some YouTube type guys might be prone to do). =P
Thanks for another excellent video, Tariq!
Also really LOVE the two part video, where are curiosity is confirmed by seeing villain's cards at the end. A lot of these spots I was shocked to see him folding. Many spots where I end up punting 5-20bb.
RunItTw1ce - Absolutely, I completely agree. And to add to what you're saying, while I may personally occasionally find some of those hero folds (not [yet] in an anonymous pool though), I am never finding that AJ (on the 225) or the Q9s floats/bluffs, so maybe I'm just over-folding in general, while Tariq appears to be picking his spots very thoughtfully and based on actual knowledge, which is very impressive and motivating.
Almost at a loss for words. Thank you so much for this comment! It means the absolute world to me.
I know what you mean by the 10k hand DS and feeling like you're getting pushed around. Has happened to me many times as well; but constant reviewing of hands and positive mindset will get you through it and I'm sure you'll overcome it.
Once again, thanks for the kind words and I look forwarding to creating more videos!
I am new to RunItOnce. Watched 4 videos so far, 2 of Tariq's where i have learned quite a lot especially how to fold. There have been quite a few spots where i would previously never have considered folding and he has been correct every time. I really love the way we can see the holdings later in the replayer. Very clear explanations too. Excellent videos. I would also appreciate a future video on how to deal with donk bets as i find that is happening more and more in my games.
Hi Soinana Welcome to run it once! I'm glad you found my videos helpful, that means alot.
Now that a few of you have requested a video on Donk bets I will definitely make it a priority and hope to release that in an upcoming vid.
Tariq Haji Thanks for the reply. I use very slightly modified GTO ranges for 500z. I know the rake structure is very different, here are what I'm using (2.5 bb open, 3bb from sb):
UTG 17.5%. 55+, A2s+, K8s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T9s, 76s, 65s, ATo+, KJo+
HJ: 55+, A2s+, K7s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T8s+, 97s+, 87s, 76s, 65s, ATo+, KJo+, QJo
CO: 28.8%: 22+, A2s+, K5s+, Q7s+, J7s+, T7s+, 97s+, 86s+, 75s+, 65s, 54s, A8o+, KTo+, QTo+, JTo
BU/SB: 22+, A2s+, K2s+, Q2s+, J4s+, T4s+, 94s+, 84s+, 74s+, 63s+, 53s+, 43s, A2o+, K8o+, Q8o+, J8o+, T8o+, 98o
Most surprising are your stealing ranges, my RFI from Bu/SB was around 37% upon review and thought I found a big leak so have been trying to pump it up to almost 50%. My numbers were closer to the ones mentioned but I widened up under the advice of a prominent coach.
I agree with Soinana as well, I have been making some sketchy river calls with my best bluff catchers because 'top of range' yadda yadda and I am always shown the nuts. River donk bets and raises seem to be all value to me, and it's cool to see you happily folding spots that I wouldn't think to, and clearly you aren't getting owned for it. Can you weigh in on these spots regarding river calling ranges? How bad can always folding really be in an anonymous game where you aren't going to be actively exploited? River calls with 'good' canditates are probably the biggest contributor to my losses. I also recently discovered that if a villain is even slightly under bluffing, the best counter is to fold ALL our bluff catchers.
Some more spots that I would love to hear your thoughts are:
-your strategy in responding to 3bets OOP
-completing ranges from the SB and BB facing limps or multiple callers
Thanks for the videos and responses, looking forward to more
Also try and respond, by hitting reply on your post rather than posting at the bottom of the thread, so it's continuous post on the same topic and not spread out.
Suited cards only make up about 0.3% of ranges, so for UTG / HJ range is only going to be 1-2% different. The hands you listed could be profitable, but add more variance to your game. I think in a 3 bet happy aggro game, these hands quickly become -EV because they are so marginal in the first place. Your ranges look like you took every playable hand from snowie for 2bb, 2.25bb, and like 4.5bb opens or as snowie calls them 1/4, 1/2, pot, and 2x pot ranges.
Hands like T8s, 97s, 87s-65s from MP are like 0.01 EV and can be -EV if you are using the wrong sizing. In Patrick Sekinger video recently he showed 87s-54s only being open at a frequency from the cutoff and not even pure opens. Where Monker is preferring to raise with hands like K4s or Q7s.
This part of your range is what I wonder most about. Tyler Forrester posted something in one of his videos, from the SB he was making money opening ATC, literally 100% of hands and was making 1bb/100 doing so with the bottom 20% of hands. However, from the button, I would trim it down to 40-45%, which is where I see most 500z regs at for their RFI range.
Here is a link to a full ring coach from 2 years ago that did a data base review showing some of the winning and losing hands over 600k hands. This might help you some for RFI ranges as well. I was in your shoes about 3 months ago when I was transition from live to online. In the end I went with tighter ranges and chose to multi table. If i'm 1 tabling with 100% focus, I can see your ranges working.
https://www.runitonce.com/poker-training/videos/2018-recap-improving-preflop-for-2019-2/
Thanks for the detailed reply, I'm a RIO noob and couldn't find the reply button :) \ My games (50NL Ignition) are only 3betting around 6-7% in every formation so perhaps I am able to get away with these ranges. Conversely, there are tons of cold calls so the marginal hands probably quickly come losing when multiway.
Just a quick tip for you, if you want to respond to something with a quote like above, just copy and paste it into your response, highlight it, and hit the little quotes above. Something I didn't know how to do when I first joined, thought I would share.
I agree with what you said, if they are not 3 betting enough, you can get away with opening wide. Have to remember though, their flat calling range is going to dominate some of these marginal opens as well. Going to get into a lot of reverse implied odd spots. I really enjoy the way Henry Lister plays, suggest watching some of his videos. There are a lot of top notch essential coaches on here.
Good luck. Tariq can answer your postflop questions better than myself.
Great video. Keep up the good work!
LOVE the "super station" note .
i thought i originated that tag lol
Tariq Haji First time I watch a video made by you. ATM I play NL25 reg tables and it felt like this lesson was pure gold for me, got very similar oponents in my daily grind!
The way you explain thinking process, the logical exploits and simplification just made stick to the monitor.
Will be checking the remaining content very soon. Keep the good work :)
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