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Sunday Session Review

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Lucas Greenwood

POSTED Sep 11, 2015

Luc takes a look at a collection of hands from a recent Sunday session that he finds interesting and worthy of some extra discussion.

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maxtere 9 years, 6 months ago
  1. Hand: what about check shove on the river? You have Q blocker and I think it is reasonable to check shove set plus on the river.
Lucas Greenwood 9 years, 6 months ago

Its ok however I think my hand doesn't have much showdown, and if he has a middle pair or AK or AQ he's likely not to bluff the river and I do want to give these hands a chance to fold, also villain can def have KQ

rattapeale 9 years, 6 months ago

In the AQ hand, what about making it ~775 - most players defend vs this by flatting wide, we keep all of his dominated hands in (which there are a ton of!) and get into a very profitable postflop spot, where it's really hard for him to defend anything close to 1-a. With the sizing you chose, most villains will perceive this as a shove/fold spot where they can't really make a huge mistake vs us and you also put yourself in a pretty marginal spot when shoved on.

For the sizing you chose, I'd very much prefer to further polarize our range to something like TT+, AK for the upper pole and A & Kx blockers to balance. In parallel, I'd have a linear 3betting range with a smaller sizing (750-825), which would include hands like ATs+, KQs+ with stuff like AA and KK mixed in as well. I think constructing our ranges in this manner fits particularly well into the current metagame, where even good regs rarely defend vs small 3bets (which obv rep merged ranges) by 4betbluffing aggressively enough. Instead, since they are getting great potodds on the call pre, they opt to flat the vast majority of their range, while still 4betting linearly quite often, which leaves them with a pretty weak range when they flat. It's really hard to defend a wide flattingrange properly, especially in 3bet pots at MTTesque stackdepths and this is where you'll extract the biggest edge: by putting their marginal hands in tough spots and making them overcall / overfold. Much more potential to make money there imo, rather than turning this into a preflop push/fold spot most of the time.

Lucas Greenwood 9 years, 6 months ago

I dislike making it 775, letting him see a flop with suited connectors, pocket pairs etcs, keeping him in with Ax and Qx is obv great but keep in mind when he has an A or Q I'm only going to flop a dominated top pair 1/8 times not nearly enough to justify inducing at this stack depth.If I wanted to make it 775 with AA KK QQ and bluffs its reasonable but AQo is too weak and I don't want to make it easy for villain to call with all his medium hands. I also strongly disagree about forcing villain into an unproftable spot postflop, its actually very easy for villain to play pre and post, call with great pot odds and than stack off any flop you hit a piece of.

dablancninja 9 years, 6 months ago

@Lucas Still on that last hand, you say that when he 4b shoves AQo is in bad shape, do you still call given the pot odds you'll receive? Or are you implying you would have 3b/folded? If so, is call a reasonable option? You clearly demonstrated you're are ahead of his opening range but behind his 4bet shove range and with 20bbs effective it's a spot MTT regs find themselves in a lot.

The Joker 9 years, 6 months ago

34:00 dont you think it's fair for him to bet bigger on the turn with his value hands and the bluffs that turned more equity because of the 5h. it might explain his bigger sizing on the turn

Jonathan Kohen 9 years, 6 months ago

~ minute 26 with KK. We barrel 3 streets and bet 1/3 on river. Are you balancing this sizing with your nutted range? If so, are you also using this sizing with KJ? It seems like we are going to be lacking bluffs when we bet so small. A hand like AK is interested in betting 3, as we block the upper parts of his calling range. But do we also include AK in our 1/3 river bet sizing, or are we splitting our bet sizings on this river?

FIVEbetbLUFF 9 years, 4 months ago

great video. Really like how you break down hands.
at 12min with AsJx, when we shove blank rivers, we do block a lot of their folding range i think. He will be bet/calling AsQx AsJx AsKx or even As9x/As8x AsAx QsJx so having As as well as a J seems to be sort of bad of blanks. It does block his nut flushes as well but those are fewer combos than his AsX hands that must fold. So do you ever C/r other hands as i expect those to have a better success rate when we get to the river.
at 24min on river with t9s on 7625kccc, u say he has weak range so u wanna size down with your range. Isnt it better to bet larger though when we have a strong advantage? Are you just talking exploitatively bc u think he overfolds to a large bet so u wanna bet smaller to get paid off? Or is bc u dont have many bluffs other than A3s/A4s/T9s? As you say, he calls with a set for any size so dont u want to maximize value with ur value range that i assume is 76s+?
at 46min, the last hand with AQ, do you use top of ur folding range to 3b/fold? when you detailed ur range, u made it seem like a linear 3b range rather than a semi-polar one.

Jewo 8 years, 11 months ago

Min. 10 AJ:

Dont realy like your turn check/raise for several reasons.

Not sure how wide you are calling your bb, but i guess your equity distribution on the turn is around 50/50 especiay if villain uses a high cbet strategy.

1) However I guess most Villains splitt their ranges on the turn and put some of their hands in a checkingrange. So the 2. barrel becomes stronger and more polarized(or do you think he 2barrels 2.pair and such stuff?).

2) Further you get a realy good prize to call and realize your equity and could still decide to lead, check/fold, check/shove or what ever on the river. (Guess you have around 30% Euity + implieds and you need around 25%)

3) Your Spr isn´t great to play x/r and decide on the river...

Exploitively I would like a check/shove on the turn if he 2. barrels super merged..

What do you think of my thoughts?

Thanks for your video ;)

Lucas Greenwood 8 years, 11 months ago

I agree with your analysis, I still think the x/r is fine however I'd like it more if I were deeper, I will have a lot of flushes in this spot so its nice to have some x/r bluffs, and having the gut shot is a nice bonus.

Project_Eden 8 years, 10 months ago

31.00 with aks if you choose to 4 bet witch size you will use? if oppo 5bet shove is not sick put all this blind inside the pot in early stage?

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