Sunday MTT Session Review (part 1)
Posted by Sam Greenwood
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'I flop a flush. That was... easy.'
20 min in, already loving this video
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@ 23:45, AsQx on J84ssx: If there's a single caller, are you firing three vs either? Which turn cards are you not firing, if any? River?
@ ~25min, QcTh in the 6-max: I struggle with these types of preflop spots. I rarely flat the 3-bet with that hand. The main issue I have is that our hand plays poorly against the value portion of his range. Generally, it seems like a lot of your play is based around an understanding of what optimal ranges might be in various spots. In this spot, it seems like your reasoning is along the lines of 'my opening range of 60% is ~optimal, my opponent is playing somewhere in the neighborhood of optimal, so I'll use a minimum defense frequency argument for flatting QTo here.' Am I missing a piece?
I like how you qualitatively rate the closeness of your decisions. As an example, you do this for the A8ss hand @ ~30 min.
@ ~44min, ATdd, what's the reason for not creating a flatting range?
1. Depends on the runout and who the villain is. Definitely firing A,Q,K,T, Spade turns. An 8 turn is a lot more likely to hit the BB than the PFR. A jack turn more likely to hit the PFR than the BB etc. I am not going to three barrel as often is both players call, etc. Brick turns I might shutdown occasionally, but might keep on firing.
2. If i'm folding QTo to a three bet here, i'm folding to around 40% of three bets and allowing villain to autoprofit w/ ATC. This isn't something I want to allow. I am not sure if villain is three betting close to optimal, but I do think I have enough pot equity and can realize it a large enough percent of the time to make it a good call.
3. There are times I like to simplify my decision tree to guarantee I am balanced. If I wanted to flat ATs here, i'd occasionally need to flat AA, but that makes my 4b range weaker which means I need to 4b tighter for value and 4b as a bluff less often. Additionally if I call I let the BTN into the pot and play a pot in position three ways.
21 : 45 we have 45% against this 9 bb shove range from the hj with jts :
55+,A2s+,K5s+,Q7s+,J8s+,T8s+,98s,A7o+,A5o,K9o+,Q9o+,J9o+,T9o
i am not sure that this is a +ev cal
I am responding from my phone, so can't just exact stack sizes etc. But if he's shoving ~ 9bbs we are calling ~8 into ~10 and only need 40% for it to be +CEV
and i also dont get the defend of the 3b on the buton with qto with 20x behind even if you have good odds agains a range containing possibly many bluf
Do u play a lot of cash? Because those larger sizings and all that talk about balance and optimal stuff sounds a lot more like CG player than MTT one. Anyway I dont like those big 3bets shallow. Or maybe I do, for big blind. Since everyone is defending so much, the bluff 3bets are so trashy you dont want to play them postflop. So larger sizing because of the highly polarized range is a good idea. But on SB I 3bet pretty linear, because the odds for flating are worse and I can be squeezed out or overcalled and play 3way OOP, so I prefer to 3b all my QJs type of hands. If deep I do flat pocket pairs and maybe sometimes I flat hands like KQs ... maybe KJs, AJo ? im not sure, I really flat rarely and I do that mostly against fish because I feel like my range is too capped and easy to play against.
So for these reasons I think 3bets from SB could be smaller than 3bets from BB. Another thing is that raisor gets better odds to call 3b from sb than bb, because the pot is 0,5bb larger, so that works kinda against my theory.
Or are you polarized even on SB and do you often flat 98s QJs KJo ?
I play a decent amount of cash. My strategy is definitely more CG oriented. I also 3b pretty linear in SB because if you call you often have to play three way pots OOP and can be exploited by the BB squeezing a lot.
How linear I am in the SB is a function of stack size. 100 bbs deep, i might just 3b everything I play, but if I do that 40bbs deep then i can suddenly get 4bet shoved on by a ton of hands. At 20 bbs I am pretty linear and almost never 3b/f. 40bbs deep I would say i'm semi polarized flatting qjs type stuff and bluffing with 78s, KTo, K9o type hands.
QcTc Hand (2:50): Sam you rip 35bb in from the sb w/ QcTc vs a loose late position opener. I ran pro poker tools and if he's opening 25% but only continues w/ 99+,AK you net approximately 1bb. I just don't see the risk/reward there. Is it better to 3b smaller here or are you afraid of getting 5b shoved on? Are you ever taking this line for value?
The opener and the BB both start the hand w/ around 20bbs.
JhTh Hand (21:43): You call a 9bb utg shove in the bb w/ JTs. Earlier in the video you shove 77 from EP for about the same stack depth I believe and get called by JQs which you say is horrible. Can you explain the difference in thought process? Is the other call horrible b/c the player calling is in MP? Is this call ok b/c you're still left w/ 40bb+?
I am getting a better price in the BB and am closing the action. The other tournament is full ring so an EP shover should be tighter than an EP shover in 6m.
@2min : on top right table you open fold QJo from the HJ with 19bb. Is that your standard play or is it an adaptation to someone at the table ? Would you open it if your standard raise was minraise ?
I feel like it might be an ok fold if you 2.5x everything (still close IMO) but if you minraise surely a +EV open.
It's probably an open. When I recorded this video i opened a little tighter than I do now.
As I was writing my question I think I came up with the answer I was looking for. I was going to ask do you ever 3bet bluff hands like k5o vs 85o as the k5o had blockers. But as I said I think I answered my own question. You chose the 85o over a had like K5o as it flops better, you will have more equity to keep your bluff going on the flop or turn.
Secondly when do you chose to 3bet bluff. You cant do it every time you get a hand like 85o 64o 96o ect, as you will get punished by wide 4bets from a observant reg who sees you 3betting to often. Is it player dependent (players who don't react to 3bets well) or do you already know that you bet for example 4% for value and 3b bluff about 4% of your range 9x6y,8x6y,9x5y,8x5y (3.6%) so its when ever you see those cards in the BB and you face a raise you just know to 3bet them.
"do you already know that you bet for example 4% for value and 3b bluff about 4% of your range 9x6y,8x6y,9x5y,8x5y (3.6%) so its when ever you see those cards in the BB and you face a raise you just know to 3bet them"
I do something like this, keep in mind that there are lots of spots especially when shallow where you have to be 3b bluffing less than 50% of the time. I discuss this in my video On Splitting Your Ranges.
Also in some of these BB spots in the video i'd be 3bing closer to 8-10% for value
Can you explain wider about As8s check back on the turn around 25:00? Seems ok spot to check/back but I find many reasons to bet that too. But you told that's "very easy check back" so can you explain your reasons for why not bet it there? Or why betting is bad there?
Isn't your cold 4betting size too big? Seems even 8300-8700 would make same thing, cause he is going with his hand or not. Don't think he will flat anything there, so why you made it so big?
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