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Sunday Live Session (part 2)

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Stephen Chidwick

POSTED Aug 14, 2014

Stephen continues his 9+ table Sunday session review.

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Rapha Nogueira 10 years, 8 months ago

ty for another great video! hope you can keep the pace of one per week :D

08:20 A3o is a fist pump shove there ? 12.5bb I am not sure, I remember running similar simulation on 10bb-12bb Ax off OTB 3 handed on a top heavy payout structure and was not good enough to shove. But I can be wrong on this (probably, because I am not satellite master)

15:35 87dd on JT5dcc turn is 5d. Being exactly the 5 of diamonds impact your sizing decision there ? I luv this bet sizing since 5d is the card that will give our rivered flush the highest implied odds (in my opinion) because he has a lot more 5x in his flop and turn range than our and even tough the board is pretty wet, jamming this turn with A5 for example ott is not the best play since you need to jam river with almost whole turn betting range. Wish he called to see your decision :)

18:30 I agree with the argument that betting small when you have a lot of thin value bets OTR but since you are closing the action post ante you should be defending wide enough. It implies that your bluffing range is still pretty wide since none of our bluffs are shutting down river (because very little of them has sd value probably), so a larger sizing would not be better ? I agree that we have a lot of thin value bets aiming his Axd range but since we are bluffing 87o, we have also a huge bluffing range and by this sizing we need to have like 3 value hands for each bluff and I am not sure if we have it when we bluffing 8d7x, but I can be wrong on your range OTR. And also, it is a way more exploitative line that we should not be that worried with frequencies. 

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Stephen Chidwick 10 years, 8 months ago

A3o I think is a close shove. You have to be careful running sims like this as it assumes sb is shoving his whole range when you fold and therefore overestimates how often the blinds are getting it in.

87dd I would probably bet slightly more on a non board-pairing turn 

87o I disagree that none of our bluffs are shutting down river and I don't think I can bet much bigger with my value range because I will be value cutting myself too much with some Qx hands. I think that Qx and better probably gives us enough value combos to be bluffing at least 8high and worse with this sizing though I haven't looked at it in oddsoracle. I don't understand why betting twice vs a flop check is an exploitative line, maybe you can explain this further.


Rapha Nogueira 10 years, 7 months ago

87o sorry I formulated it wrong. a small portion of our bluffing range is going to shut down river if we are bluffing 8d7x since is a hand that has so poor equity against his calling range OTT (if we assume that he is AdX heavy).

My view as it being a exploitative line is that you are attacking a capped range (since he didn't use his positional advantage in a board that he has great range advantage.. maybe you have more K2s than he has but given how wide both ranges are I don't think it matters much) with a hand that don't have much equity against his turn calling range (maybe around 14%-20%) and we need to be bluffing a frequency that is higher than optimal if we put hands like this on our bluffing range. 

I don't have PPT on this computer and you may be right that this turn/river frequency isn't way off as I thought initially since your defending range is pretty wide and if you are playing 23/13/10 probably you are 3betting KQs/AQ and have a wide range of Qx suited that calls pre and bets turn. 

The problem is that not all of this Qx suited can be value betting this thinly twice in this runout, I think. Since he has better Qx in his overall range than us his river calling range will have less A highs (AdJx-AdTx, AxJd-AxTd may call river) that will call twice here. I certainly agree with the argument that we are on the bottom of our check-bet range OTR and we should be bluffing with this hand. This specific hand in the whole range I lean towards giving up turn since the turn fold equity is small and our equity when called probably won't make river an adjusted value/bluff ratio with this sizing. 


OMGSoicowboy 10 years, 8 months ago

Good job, thanks! 

6'20 A9o, bottom right : why don't you iso raise?

39'35 AJo, top right : I would at least consider calling his overbet river, there is a decent amount of missed draws (wheel draws, FD etc) he could play that way, and his value range is very narrow (only 4x). 

Stephen Chidwick 10 years, 8 months ago

A9o My opponent is a good friend of mine and very good player. If he is limping this spot its not with only weak hands...he probably is doing it with his whole range and even if not I expect him to defend against isos well with calls and limp raises. I don't think A9o will do well vs his continuing range.

AJo I feel like draws are so much more likely to barrel turn than check it with this line unless they have a pair also and pairs probably aren't bluffing river. I don't think I need to bluff catch with a hand this far down in my range vs the overbet.

ronswanson 10 years, 7 months ago

9:15 top left UTG jam with K9s off 11bbs, although every stack is under 9bbs and most are around 5bbs. Seemed a bit wide, although ran it in ICMizer and it shows a profit of +137 chips in Nash. Blinds are 500/1k w 100 antes.

Does the rebuy period make you more willing to jam here? Are you fine jamming as long as it is slightly profitable in Nash, or how bad do you think is it to only jam hands that make at least half a SB (ATo, A9s, KTs, QJs, KQo, 44+) or a complete SB?

Stephen Chidwick 10 years, 7 months ago

After some searching I found the hand you're talking about at 18:00. No, the rebuy period has no effect on what I'm jamming and I think it is early enough in the tournament that ICM has close to zero effect so I'll take any +ev spot

ProBtnClickerr 10 years, 2 months ago

Can you please give some thoughts on the kj river bet at 21:00 in the hundred rebuy, are you trying to get him to call with some sort of mid pocket pair or? Also river sizing seems very big to me, can you please elaborate a bit

Stephen Chidwick 10 years ago

Yeah, sorry I missed this in the video. I think its too thin. I guess i expected him to bet the turn always with Ax and be very pocket pair heavy but looking back I don't think I can be confident enough about those assumptions to make it a good bet.

HugoPingray 10 years ago

Hello Stephen, excellent stuff!

On the JTss hand at 43', assuming you had c/raised the flop with KJhh type hand and bet small on the turn, would you still have bet the river on a blank?
I'm kinda torn in these spots, I feel like betting is usually end up value cutting ourselves against AK cause most players will be able to fold JJ or QQ on this run out.
On the plus side, he can't really raise with AK/AA and KK seems totally unlikely given how many combos are left, so we will be chosing how much to bet on the river if we have the losing hand rather than c/calling a bigger bet
My real question is actually can we c/fold the river?

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