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Sunday $500 (part 1)

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James Obst

POSTED Mar 27, 2015

James shares his thoughts on some of the key hands from the early stages of the Sunday $500.

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rick 9 years, 9 months ago

Could you give me an explanation on the AK fold to 4bet.
Deep in tournament its an easy fold too?

James Obst 9 years, 9 months ago

utg1 3betting in this level with no antes is rare enough but facing a cold 4bet over that range theres no incentive at all to continue, even KK should probably be folded against tight opponents having to play OOP the rest of the hand - we need reads on ranges to do anything different; if there's a degree of width in both ranges it's certainly the primary candidate for a reraise bluff, but we'd either need both to be agressive non-callers preflop or for there to be antes in play (thus widening ranges) to come close to justifying not folding imo.

Taska85 9 years, 9 months ago

really don´t like minraising when there is 10k start stack and you are 200-250bb effe, folding 22 when you are almost 150bb deep debatable but I would find myself mostly setmining and lastly JTs even still pre antes 50bb deep with 5pots left plays so well even oop

James Obst 9 years, 9 months ago

I'm not trying to recruit anyone and as I said I'm liable to change my sizing week to week, I just know members want explanations for these things. Perhaps you could offer some constructive reasons beyond the standard "the bb gets to defend more" why you are particularly against it, and why you think they outweigh some of the reasons I offered in this and prior vids - I was strongly against it a couple of years ago also and a >3xer in early levels for many years but feel it has benefited my game of late.

When you're up against a tight 3bettor whose 'light' hands will be heavily weighted to AJ and suited broadway type stuff it doesn't seem to play so well to me. If he made it 2.5 I'd probably call so from my point of view the 3-bet size would be all important, but yeah I can't be certain where the correct inflection point is. You always have to take into account the bigger picture in these decisions too, your edge in the tournament, player strength on the table etc.

Kepalas89 9 years, 9 months ago

~26:30 you open 22 from mid position, then fold to 3bet BU, it's deep. What pair is good enough to call here? Like 55+?

James Obst 9 years, 9 months ago

In this exact spot I think 55+ is a good solid base and 44 feels pretty neutral. But as always you need to remain flexible - opponent tendencies amongst other variables will influence what's right.

FIVEbetbLUFF 9 years, 9 months ago

nice video. at 27min, why is KQo a better 3b then KQs? how do you construct 3b range, is semi-polar, like top of ur folding range and value hands? Bc KQo is marginal flat call u decide to 3b it? this seems to differ where ur squeezing range is purely linear.
at 30min, you talk hypothetically of a leading range HJ v SB on JT3ss, do you lead whole range? seems hard to properly balance checking and keeping in strong hands so once u check he can't bet bet bet wide and for thin value cuz i assume ud lead draws and Jx and check more hands like 55-88 and Tx
at 34min, do you always check turn with AK on kt27? with all the draws wouldn't you bet it as default unless you have read he bets the turn when checked to a lot? Bc u bet TT cuz of draws, do you not that here bc u block Kx and dont crush his calling range as much? Seems you will have a high call turn frequency given its reasonable for KQs/KJs to bet flop check turn as well.
at 35min, you say its calamitous cuz he weaker players and prob doesn't have bluffs, but what bluffs wud u squeeze there? given you seem to be linear

James Obst 9 years, 9 months ago

I think in MTTs it makes sense to play more of a 'small ball' style if you will, ergo I'll want to flat plenty of hands on the button so 3bet range will be semi-polar, yes. Squeezing range in that spot is not exactly linear - I wouldn't squeeze 99; you want hands that play fine/well when called and block well initially.

On boards that heavily favour my range it's possible I lead 100% at times.. you can be sure I'm not leaving myself completely vulnerable by checking weak and rarely strong like you suggest, though. Again my plans depend on the opponent's tendencies always.

At these stakes people play their draws aggressively so slowing down on the turn is certainly reasonable with AK.. it's close readless. With the Ad I'd be concerned about his continuing range being too strong, but if he never bets draws then you'd obviously still bet anyway. Not sure what your last question means. Pretty simply this 3bet can mean QQ+ AK with some recreational players so that's why stacking off could be calamitous.

Rapha Nogueira 9 years, 9 months ago

Great to see you back, James.

9:23 on G's zee's shoes, doesn't make more sense to x/r boats ? Against the range he bets river less than half pot, do you consider clicking it back ? Assuming that there is no reason for him to shove Jx as a bluff.

31:40 with the QdQx combos, doesn't it is a clear check ? If you bet and get called it turns out to be one of the worst bluff catchers blocking a portion of his range that is high up on equity on his floating range.

James Obst 9 years, 9 months ago

Thanks Raph. Yeah river c/r with boats I shouldn't have overlooked - from a theoretical pov it definitely makes sense; it obviously wasn't something I was anticipating from this opponent. Of course a click back would be an exploitable adjustment you could consider making, it probably wouldn't be part of a readless gto strategy.

What you're saying re QQ is true but it overlooks what betting accomplishes by way of denying your opponents equity and profitable bluffing opportunities. My range is very strong for flatting in this seat so by checking I'd risk being face up. I'm satisfied with betting and this hand has the potential to be used as a bluff itself in some scenarios.

Kaizen 9 years, 9 months ago

Great video, on the second hand J9cc, what is your point of view on the turn in vilain's stead ? I think that do you think is good to donk hands with some showdown value like 66 (I think that it weakens our check calling range to much but not sure) and donking your J. I also afraid that we can rapitedly have to many bluffs in this range. Thanks

James Obst 9 years, 9 months ago

Cheers. I think it would be a mistake to check full range as villain there, leading full range seems far more preferable - possibly leading two sizes, for eg. large with non showdown value club draws and AJ, small for weaker Jx, boats, pocket pairs, AQcc etc. Not sure whether theory would prefer us to balance some checks in there with that.

Cmw3011 9 years, 9 months ago

@14:00 you talk about how you think his range is 'inelastic' and that you don't see the point in betting larger, adding that you wont get 3 barrels.

Surely the fact that you wont get 3 barrels should encourage you to actually bet larger OTF to ensure you get more value. When he has a hand that can call a AKx vs UTG, sizing shouldn't make too much difference. If he has Ax or Kx I would guess he is calling 140 almost as often as he is calling 90.

Betting this size and continuing to barrel large allows you to maximise value and also apply pressure when you're bluffing on a board which is almost impossible to call down on with medium strength hands vs a UTG open pre ante.

James Obst 9 years, 9 months ago

Well in theory I think this depends a lot on what hands you open from UTG (ranges vary dramatically from reg to reg here) and how wide you want your checking range to be on this board. If you're betting most all of your hands I think sizing up is probably a mistake since your bluffs are too plentiful and too low ev, which you didn't mention in your post. If you want to check back many pocket pairs you'll need to check back some Ax and bet polar - a larger size would make sense with this strategy, but again it will be hard to have enough value combos, we don't want to check back medium pocket pairs. The best strategy probably depends upon your opening range.. but then you need to consider that without extensive history your opponents will be assuming you play similarly to the player pool, so strategy needs to accommodate that somewhat also. Also, there's no rule against betting smaller on the flop and overbetting later streets.

kaytor888 9 years, 9 months ago

I have to say I really feel like you've improved and are a lot more in touch with how the games play now than before.

nice vid, looking forward to the rest.

James Obst 9 years, 9 months ago

Hey thanks a lot for taking the time to say that. I'm finding myself much more able to spend time working on my game recently than I have been in the past - definitely have had and still have a lot to improve on, so hopefully will keep improving!

drmt 9 years, 9 months ago

Hi, James.
You tend to squezze a lot but would you do that in micro - mid stakes where is plenty of fish? As i assume we want to play smaller pots against fish.

Great video, thanks in advance :)

James Obst 9 years, 9 months ago

While there are multiple kinds of 'fish', I think the typical one continues with many speculative hands to squeezes, so we should just be squeezing when we push nice value versus their continuing range. Playing big pots with weak players is really the aim of the game, they're the ones we're targeting to get our double ups. I don't think I squeeze that much to be honest :).

wilsonyeung813 9 years, 6 months ago

Hi, in the hand when u 3b UTG+2 w AK and get cold-called by SB. Do you think it is fine to bet like 2k otf with the intention of jamming most turns (including brick turns) to rep AA KK and fold out TT JJ. I mean it looks ultra strong if u bet flop and bomb turn.

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