@10-11m with 98x hand: I think we check this flop nearly always going MW on this wet, wet board. 1/2 pot on flop serves little purpose as no FE and they have plenty of combos in their continuing range, and a lot of turns/river will put us in an awkward spot in future streets. I also think river is an easy fold, he lacks any natural bluffs here on this board and is betting into two people for a hefty size.
Hey David! So, I actually think that checking the flop will be good against some players. The only thing that I don't like much is because we will never have the top of our range when we check, and this way we will have to hero call to much against the player ip. And regarding the river, I still think it's not that easy decision. Specially because he is playing against other 2 opponents, I can't see him checking flush on the turn. I don't think he has a set, because most of the times I expect him to raise in this very wet board vs 2 ppl. So in his value range I can only see AJ (and I don't think he would bet that big with it) and really tiny part of a flush that wanted to trap us on the turn. On the other hand, I expect him to call any broadways on the flop, but the ones containing a J, I think he would check behind the river. So, in his bluffing range we can have QT KT KQ. I'm still really confuse about his betting here, because he really wants to look like he has a flush, but I don't think he would check vs 2 ppl on the turn. After this analysis what do you think? I'm still not conviced that I made a good play haha
Thank you bro!
Well I'm playing super solid so far, and I think this can be a nice hand to raise early position with 40bb+. I will be able to represent high boards, and when I hit the middle cards I think my hand can be very disguised. One interesting thing as well is the fact that ramastar88 is a very active player, which would bring me more problems if he was in position, he would flat call a lot of things, but from the sb I think he would fold many hands.
I would prefer a faster pace. Like playing in a real time you have to make your decisions pretty fast and you don't have so much time to overthink or go so deep in every spot
Definitely will do something like you said Andres. The goal of this first series of videos is to go a little deeper as we are reviewing the hands. In my opinion this would work a little more for tournaments, as the live play for the cash games. But I will try to do live playing in a close future! Thanks!
I actually prefer slow-paced, in-depth analysis. The live commentary is usually too shallow and more appropriate for beginners. When you truly understand deeply every spots, you will be able to make your decisions fast anyway.
I just started following this series. I love the long explanations that give multiple scenarios. I am learning through his thought process. The ones with 6 tables have me all over the place. Also, he's using his HUD and it helps me to understand how to use mine in decision making.
The thing here is that when you check turn and river, you are not representing the A, flush or the top range, especially on the river and maybe thats why Punisher feel confortable to bet on river but at the same time, he is making a high size and as you said was half of his stack. He could check the nut flush on turn for trap, but moust time he would bet. I think that his range have bluffs but there are more combos that he is winning with some hands with small value that he turned into bluff ( AJ, AT, A9, QT, KQ, KJ KT ) so in my opinion, was a good fold on river.
Hey nico nice hand 89s open from UTG, as you I still confused about his range and I agree with you about his sizing with a J, I dont think hes gonna bet so big with a J, all his sets are gonna raise on that wet flop and if he hit the as on the river I dont expect a big bet like he did. I think he just has a flush and prob trapping but its difficult to have a flush and dont bet against 2 players, maybe if there was only you on the hand, but too many rivers are gonna kill the action, at least hes gonna bet small turn because you can have some over pairs with diamonds like AA,KK,QQ and can get some value from your hand, because youre gonna check on that turn where is a 6 of diamond and all straights and flush got there, and if you bet AA,KK AND QQ with a diamonds you are just gonna be calling with straights, sets, flush or 2pairs and those are ahead of you, i think if an opponent has a J hes gonna fold and you dont want to be check raise for better hand or semi bluffing and just try to get showdown... nice video, gl nico.
Hello Nico, Very nice video... I just made the HU on the Nordeste Poker Series and now looking for improvements for next season of the circuit in Natal-RN. Thank you for that video.
On the spot 30:21 with AQs on the river... Can we consider doing a Tiny bet after the villains check inducing him a check/raise and extract more value calling later? Or the Villain would never call neither? You decided to try Maximo value with All in, but about the question I made do you think could be also a good line?
Hi Eduardo! gg playing the NPS bro!
So, my river bet is 8500 into 20k, this way he would have to call 8500 in almost 29k.
I would say this bet is almost the cheaper I can get, and it's almost impossible to make it smaller expecting a raise here.
I think if I had 20k behind I could think in a very tiny bet to induce, but with this stack here it's a mandatory shove!
Thanks and GL!
Hey Nico, on that AdQd minute 29:00
You bet flop and receive 2 calls, so probably the first guy has the flush draw or a weak ace (more likely to have the flush draw as you said in the video) and the original raiser, probably a weak ace. The turn is a Q and they both check.
Can we check behind? I know we are giving a free card, and the flush might appear but with this check, you re giving space for bluffs and the weak ace gets stronger. They would probably bet something like 50% pot, maybe more and you d have space for a shove with AQ (of course if the river is not a flush card).
So resuming my line is: bet flop, receive 2 calls -> check turn w/ 2 pairs, giving space for bluff bets on the river.
hey bro! thanks for your comment.
So, the first problem about checking the turn is that we are not charging the flush draw.
If there is a flushdraw in their hands we want to make them pay to get to the river, specially with the Q turn where there will be fd + gutshot combos, and will probably call our bet.
The second problem in my opinion is that the weak ace will call one more street almost 100% of the times, check calling the turn and check folding the river, or on a blank river if we check turn he will call another bet. Checking turn, we are not allowing him to make the mistake to call 2 more streets, turn and river, besides that, around 20% of the time the flush will come in the river, and we wont be that confortable to bet, and if we bet, the weak ace can probably fold since our hands that bluffs the flop and checks the turn probably got there with the flush, said that we wont have that many bluff combos for him to call with the weak ace. In general, I think going for the max value in a 3way pot is the best option.
Maybe if it was a heads up situation I would consider your line :)
Hello , 14:00 89s don't you consider bluffing river to fold out a J ? They have almost 0 flushs , you have more AX in your range , I thought that was a mandatory bluff river.
29:00 AQ Sizing do you consider instead of small sizing , shoving on this turn? UTG who overcalled on the flop seems very AX oriented.
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hey nicolau, thanks for the vid!
@10-11m with 98x hand: I think we check this flop nearly always going MW on this wet, wet board. 1/2 pot on flop serves little purpose as no FE and they have plenty of combos in their continuing range, and a lot of turns/river will put us in an awkward spot in future streets. I also think river is an easy fold, he lacks any natural bluffs here on this board and is betting into two people for a hefty size.
looking forward to the rest of the series.
Hey David! So, I actually think that checking the flop will be good against some players. The only thing that I don't like much is because we will never have the top of our range when we check, and this way we will have to hero call to much against the player ip. And regarding the river, I still think it's not that easy decision. Specially because he is playing against other 2 opponents, I can't see him checking flush on the turn. I don't think he has a set, because most of the times I expect him to raise in this very wet board vs 2 ppl. So in his value range I can only see AJ (and I don't think he would bet that big with it) and really tiny part of a flush that wanted to trap us on the turn. On the other hand, I expect him to call any broadways on the flop, but the ones containing a J, I think he would check behind the river. So, in his bluffing range we can have QT KT KQ. I'm still really confuse about his betting here, because he really wants to look like he has a flush, but I don't think he would check vs 2 ppl on the turn. After this analysis what do you think? I'm still not conviced that I made a good play haha
Thank you bro!
Why would I raise this shallow at this table UTG with 98s?
Well I'm playing super solid so far, and I think this can be a nice hand to raise early position with 40bb+. I will be able to represent high boards, and when I hit the middle cards I think my hand can be very disguised. One interesting thing as well is the fact that ramastar88 is a very active player, which would bring me more problems if he was in position, he would flat call a lot of things, but from the sb I think he would fold many hands.
I would prefer a faster pace. Like playing in a real time you have to make your decisions pretty fast and you don't have so much time to overthink or go so deep in every spot
Definitely will do something like you said Andres. The goal of this first series of videos is to go a little deeper as we are reviewing the hands. In my opinion this would work a little more for tournaments, as the live play for the cash games. But I will try to do live playing in a close future! Thanks!
I actually prefer slow-paced, in-depth analysis. The live commentary is usually too shallow and more appropriate for beginners. When you truly understand deeply every spots, you will be able to make your decisions fast anyway.
I just started following this series. I love the long explanations that give multiple scenarios. I am learning through his thought process. The ones with 6 tables have me all over the place. Also, he's using his HUD and it helps me to understand how to use mine in decision making.
The thing here is that when you check turn and river, you are not representing the A, flush or the top range, especially on the river and maybe thats why Punisher feel confortable to bet on river but at the same time, he is making a high size and as you said was half of his stack. He could check the nut flush on turn for trap, but moust time he would bet. I think that his range have bluffs but there are more combos that he is winning with some hands with small value that he turned into bluff ( AJ, AT, A9, QT, KQ, KJ KT ) so in my opinion, was a good fold on river.
Nice Video buddy, waiting for the next video! GL
Hey nico nice hand 89s open from UTG, as you I still confused about his range and I agree with you about his sizing with a J, I dont think hes gonna bet so big with a J, all his sets are gonna raise on that wet flop and if he hit the as on the river I dont expect a big bet like he did. I think he just has a flush and prob trapping but its difficult to have a flush and dont bet against 2 players, maybe if there was only you on the hand, but too many rivers are gonna kill the action, at least hes gonna bet small turn because you can have some over pairs with diamonds like AA,KK,QQ and can get some value from your hand, because youre gonna check on that turn where is a 6 of diamond and all straights and flush got there, and if you bet AA,KK AND QQ with a diamonds you are just gonna be calling with straights, sets, flush or 2pairs and those are ahead of you, i think if an opponent has a J hes gonna fold and you dont want to be check raise for better hand or semi bluffing and just try to get showdown... nice video, gl nico.
Hello Nico, Very nice video... I just made the HU on the Nordeste Poker Series and now looking for improvements for next season of the circuit in Natal-RN. Thank you for that video.
On the spot 30:21 with AQs on the river... Can we consider doing a Tiny bet after the villains check inducing him a check/raise and extract more value calling later? Or the Villain would never call neither? You decided to try Maximo value with All in, but about the question I made do you think could be also a good line?
Hi Eduardo! gg playing the NPS bro!
So, my river bet is 8500 into 20k, this way he would have to call 8500 in almost 29k.
I would say this bet is almost the cheaper I can get, and it's almost impossible to make it smaller expecting a raise here.
I think if I had 20k behind I could think in a very tiny bet to induce, but with this stack here it's a mandatory shove!
Thanks and GL!
Hey Nico, on that AdQd minute 29:00
You bet flop and receive 2 calls, so probably the first guy has the flush draw or a weak ace (more likely to have the flush draw as you said in the video) and the original raiser, probably a weak ace. The turn is a Q and they both check.
Can we check behind? I know we are giving a free card, and the flush might appear but with this check, you re giving space for bluffs and the weak ace gets stronger. They would probably bet something like 50% pot, maybe more and you d have space for a shove with AQ (of course if the river is not a flush card).
So resuming my line is: bet flop, receive 2 calls -> check turn w/ 2 pairs, giving space for bluff bets on the river.
hey bro! thanks for your comment.
So, the first problem about checking the turn is that we are not charging the flush draw.
If there is a flushdraw in their hands we want to make them pay to get to the river, specially with the Q turn where there will be fd + gutshot combos, and will probably call our bet.
The second problem in my opinion is that the weak ace will call one more street almost 100% of the times, check calling the turn and check folding the river, or on a blank river if we check turn he will call another bet. Checking turn, we are not allowing him to make the mistake to call 2 more streets, turn and river, besides that, around 20% of the time the flush will come in the river, and we wont be that confortable to bet, and if we bet, the weak ace can probably fold since our hands that bluffs the flop and checks the turn probably got there with the flush, said that we wont have that many bluff combos for him to call with the weak ace. In general, I think going for the max value in a 3way pot is the best option.
Maybe if it was a heads up situation I would consider your line :)
Hello , 14:00 89s don't you consider bluffing river to fold out a J ? They have almost 0 flushs , you have more AX in your range , I thought that was a mandatory bluff river.
29:00 AQ Sizing do you consider instead of small sizing , shoving on this turn? UTG who overcalled on the flop seems very AX oriented.
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