Thank you!
I haven't used ICMizer for a while now so I can't tell if they have improved recently.
HRC gives you many more options and is better in my experience.
ICMizer is simple to use but more limited.
I think the more commonly encountered spots regarding cbetting and barreling decent top pairs and draws would be helpful as they come up so often. Perhaps in srp and 3bet pots.
For me, the biggest surprise is how wide we are supposed to be 3bet jamming 20bb from BB vs UTG on the bubble. I've definitely been just defending A4s-A2s in these spots, and I'm not sure I can be convinced jamming is the superior play in practice. It seems like big stacks shrug call off too often to be risking our tournament life so close to the money.
In sims we have no edge so I understand that we need to be taking these close spots to avoid getting exploited. In practice however, say we have a ~15% edge on the field, do you still think jamming A4s is the best play? I get that our post-flop playability goes down due to the bubble, but the risk:reward for 4.5bb doesn't seem worth it.
A2s-A4s just have great properties for 3b shove because they block top range and unblock r/f range at the same time. They also benefit a lot from folding out better Ax which is a big part of opponent's range since near the bubble UTG is opening a lot of blockers.
The EV difference will not be huge which means that it can go either way.
If your opponent is passive postflop, then the EV of calling preflop goes up.
If you have a decent edge, then you don't want to risk your stack as much because you are expecting some presents in future.
If you think your opponent calls wider, then we will jam a more linear range and we will put some of the 3b/call hands into the shoving range just to get value from him.
I believe we should always look at it in "if...then" terms.
So study the game and develop your intuition so you can solve these if...then puzzles in game.
That's great advice to keep in mind and something I've recently come back to in the last few months. I think intuition was always a strong point in my game early in my career, but with more studying came the urge to be more "precise" with my ranges and sizings. My focus had shifted towards emulating solvers and I was leaving some EV on the tables playing this way. Recently I'm back to playing more intuitively & the results have been positive so far.
Hello great video ,
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I don't understand something in your average risk premium graph , if we assume that in Head's up (2 players left) there is no ICM then why the risk premium increase at each elimination on the final table , should't it be the opposite with the risk premium decreasing for each player eliminated till it reaches 0 when heads up starts?
Hi Cassoulet,
Thank you for the question.
At 3 players left we see the biggest payjump(between 3rd and 2nd), therefore the highest RP on average.
Usually, the risk premium goes down from 9 to 6 left and then up again to 3 left where we observe the highest RP of the tournament.
Of course, this depends on payout structure but in most cases what I've written holds true.
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Great video. I did learn quite a bit.
What is your opinion on hrc vs icmizer?
Maybe you could do a video showing the differences in strategies in common post flop spots between chip ev and icm.
Thanks!
Thank you!
I haven't used ICMizer for a while now so I can't tell if they have improved recently.
HRC gives you many more options and is better in my experience.
ICMizer is simple to use but more limited.
What cEV vs ICM postflop do you want to see?
I think the more commonly encountered spots regarding cbetting and barreling decent top pairs and draws would be helpful as they come up so often. Perhaps in srp and 3bet pots.
Great video, I can tell you put in a lot of work!
For me, the biggest surprise is how wide we are supposed to be 3bet jamming 20bb from BB vs UTG on the bubble. I've definitely been just defending A4s-A2s in these spots, and I'm not sure I can be convinced jamming is the superior play in practice. It seems like big stacks shrug call off too often to be risking our tournament life so close to the money.
In sims we have no edge so I understand that we need to be taking these close spots to avoid getting exploited. In practice however, say we have a ~15% edge on the field, do you still think jamming A4s is the best play? I get that our post-flop playability goes down due to the bubble, but the risk:reward for 4.5bb doesn't seem worth it.
Would love to hear your thoughts on this. Thanks!
A2s-A4s just have great properties for 3b shove because they block top range and unblock r/f range at the same time. They also benefit a lot from folding out better Ax which is a big part of opponent's range since near the bubble UTG is opening a lot of blockers.
The EV difference will not be huge which means that it can go either way.
If your opponent is passive postflop, then the EV of calling preflop goes up.
If you have a decent edge, then you don't want to risk your stack as much because you are expecting some presents in future.
If you think your opponent calls wider, then we will jam a more linear range and we will put some of the 3b/call hands into the shoving range just to get value from him.
I believe we should always look at it in "if...then" terms.
So study the game and develop your intuition so you can solve these if...then puzzles in game.
That's great advice to keep in mind and something I've recently come back to in the last few months. I think intuition was always a strong point in my game early in my career, but with more studying came the urge to be more "precise" with my ranges and sizings. My focus had shifted towards emulating solvers and I was leaving some EV on the tables playing this way. Recently I'm back to playing more intuitively & the results have been positive so far.
Thanks for the well thought out reply!
Hello great video ,
14:00
I don't understand something in your average risk premium graph , if we assume that in Head's up (2 players left) there is no ICM then why the risk premium increase at each elimination on the final table , should't it be the opposite with the risk premium decreasing for each player eliminated till it reaches 0 when heads up starts?
Hi Cassoulet,
Thank you for the question.
At 3 players left we see the biggest payjump(between 3rd and 2nd), therefore the highest RP on average.
Usually, the risk premium goes down from 9 to 6 left and then up again to 3 left where we observe the highest RP of the tournament.
Of course, this depends on payout structure but in most cases what I've written holds true.
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