Level Up Your Game: SB 3bet vs CO on 52 Flops
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23 min mark only betting 7% of the time here with top 2 pair is shocking!!!! I don't think this sim is very realistic with IP slow playing TT and betting so many TX on the turn. Looks like it's going for a XR with AQ? If it's going for a X/C I would lose my mind.
I think on the last hand it is a mandatory call unblocking spades. I think Btn can jam some JJ 99 type hands for value as well. I wanna say some combo draws like AdTd will be checking back the turn, so I think there are less flush draws than you imagine that get here on this river. A lot of KdX or QdXd are going to be bluffing turn with less SDV than ace high flush draws, so those hands get counterfeit once the Qd lands on the river. I would guess KQ+ is a call on the river, but most sets have to call river, then folding your AQ AK combos.
Excellent video, one of your best! Looks like you have gotten more comfortable with GTO+ as well and using it's features. Curios what other people comment as well in regards to calling the last hand. Maybe someone will share PIO analysis of the river.
Last suggestion just for curiosity, maybe hover over villain's cards in some of the examples to see what they are bluffing / value betting with after you fold.
Thanks and glad you liked it. Agree that I should check villain's cards more, it's nice to see what solver gets there with
Yeah on AQ hand it's really interesting for the overall range, could the story be very different when using a small sizing OTF? Because the A feels like one of the best cards for overall OOP range and its still a 95% check. Maybe the bigger sizing makes the nutted hands much more important than the overall range as 2p+ is now over a third of IPs range and any bet would just allow IP to have a super strong range without overfolding so OOP gets destroyed if betting often?
I assume that on blanks IP will just be way stronger after that 70% of range betting OTF by OOP and overfold by IP, so what cards is OOP happy to see there?
Probably just bricks... Also having Qh probably blocks some of the call range, so maybe bets without any hearts in hand. Either way not realistic to real life.
Great video. Thanks for the oop cbetting content. It think its an important concept that can be difficult to play.
Perhaps in the future you can move the trainer screen (or whatever screen is the focus of the video) up and to the middle as it makes it easier to see especially for those of us watching on a smaller screen. Thanks.
Hi Steve
Really enjoyed the video and i believe it provides a framework for how we can level up the most efficiently
I was wondering, how do we identify which spots we should work on and in what order, as a few examples:
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Not sure if i have worded that particularly well, but i guess i am looking to identify which spots i need to work on most and in what order i should do so.
Seems like there are a couple reasonable approaches.
1. Frequent spots. BB defense, 3bets in the wider positions, etc.
2. Use spots in game where you're confused to decide what to study. (I've recently been working on my SB facing BB 3bet because I had a few pots the other day where I felt totally lost)
3. Use your db/winrates/etc. to identify leaks. I don't have useful insights here about what specifically to look at.
Don't have super strong convictions about one way being better than any other.
Hi Steve. I just wanted let you know that I am really enjoying your videos, especially the most recent ones. What I think really sets you apart is that you are not only teaching me, but you are teaching me how to teach myself, which I think is even more useful. Keep up the great content!
Thanks!
Making any live play or post audio videos soon or just more solver videos?
That's a good question, I haven't fully decided what my next video will be. I think there are others who are better at making live play sessions than me, but if someone sends me some footage I'd consider doing a proview or whatever it's called when I watch/comment on someone else's play.
I find the trainer sessions super useful for me (making a video forces me to put in serious thought instead of just clicking around) so as long as I'm getting decent feedback I'll likely continue to put out at least some of these.
If you have something in particular you're interested in let me know!
Want to chime in here. I think exploring difficult spots with the solver is what I would like to see. Sb vs various positions, LJ vs CO cold calls, playing OOP in general as the PFR against various cold call strategies, 4 bet pots in various positions...
I agree solver videos are great, but want to see what kind of results they get on the felt as well. Elusive mark comes to mind when he makes a bunch of these solver type videos, but also mixes in some live play / post audio videos. It could be like 4 solver videos and 1 post audio video. I would find explaining things in real time pretty difficult, so post audio is much better to pause a spot and discuss it. Just review one of your own sessions.
Personally I prefer to pick a bunch of hands around one theme and review those to a session review where you get who knows what, so I think I'll leave the session reviews to others. (Not sure if you're asking about my results but I've been a decent winner at 50 blitz on ACR and more recently 100 zoom on PS since getting back into playing.)
Ryan, thanks for the feedback. I've considered a video on 4bet pots as that's an area I feel generally lost, but have avoided it due to the difficulty in assigning ranges - they're quite tight and so small differences in hand choices are potentially hugely impactful on the results. Similar issue with cold call ranges, but I may give one or both of those a shot. Recently I've been working on playing 3bet pots as SB vs BB, so I might look at that for my next video.
Steve Paul Ok just a video review of your biggest pots of the month or something. Not really concerned about your results, your videos show great improvement since you came back and I can see the growth. Just think should mix up your videos a little bit that is all. So many different videos topics to choose from. Always best to do what you are most comfortable with. Would like to see some actual hand replays other than solver. That is all. Thanks for responding.
Great video, really insightful. I never really considered the approach of 2 different sims for each sizing's, always just put both on the same one, this one has its perks for sure.
At minute 26 I'm curious about that hand in general. The turn I guess just makes sense, range is super dominating when the A comes. The river is the interesting part. I think the 9 blocker might be super relevant because of their check back. I assume he will get to the turn with a big portion of bdfds that now are just fds and perhaps the ones with a 9 are the ones that are just happier to check back and realize equity instead of building the pot (maybe not "happier", just fit that job better when it comes to balancing)? Q high ones will want to build the pot because nut potential, 56s 76s have more outs and the most prevalent card on the rest is the 9s I'd say, so that might be a good blocker effect. That might also be why it doesn't go with a smaller sizing, because of a similar effect but with clubs blocking a decent portion of the fold to small bet range? Then again, clubs will be a different story because of As Ks on the board.
I also might just be making 0 sense.
On a similar note, is it possible to share the sims in these videos so we can look into questions like these ourselves? Totally understand if not!
Anyway, thanks for your time, sorry if question + assumptions are dumb :p
First off, glad you liked the video. Secondly, my assumptions about what solver does often turn out dumb so don't worry about that!
It turns out the 9s is completely irrelevant as a blocker, as the only combo IP calls flop with that contains the 9s is 9s9c and the only spade flush IP gets to the river with is 7s6s. IP calls a jam with AQ+, a decent amount of KQ and very small amounts of QQ/KJs/KTs. This looks to me to be a spot where blocker effects aren't that important and we just bluff the bottom of our range to balance our value bets. The turn is bet with such high frequency that 99 is low enough for us to want to bluff it.
Just one thing, do all the 99 use that sizing OTR?
Anyway, thanks for taking the time!
No, all of them bluff but some mix sizings.
Great video Steve!
Really proud to work with you!
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Hi, great video!
am i the only one with the problem that I often want to pause to read the %s and EV at the bottom, but can't because it's covered by the player bar/buttons?!
Sorry about that, someone else mentioned the screen placement isn't ideal so I've fixed it for future videos. Annoyingly I can't seem to move the window in GTO+ so had to resize and just bring the whole thing up.
Hello Steve wanted to tell you I love that kind of Videos you are such an awesome coach. I just watched the first 15 min and I learned so much its insane.
Hello Steve,,
I really like the idea and format I hope for more similar videos in the future.
I often do such simulations by myself and I still have problem to build this "intuition" when I should use big or small cbet sizing. Boards like AAJ = small bet and 533 = big bet are pretty obvious for me, but I always have problems with boards like K32r Q82r (high card, dry) that seems for me to be perfect for small frequent bet, but simulations say different.
I was hoping for digging little bit more into these spots, at 13:00 I was pretty unhappy that we just move into practice. ;)
Of course that is just my feeling, but if there will be more similar comments, maybe it would make sense to extend "theory" part in the next videos.
Thanks!
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