Couple of things
1) I wouldn't use 75% as flop sizing, I think half pot or 2/3 pot is more common if you are not using 1/3. Also just training one size when your opponents are not using that size is really just going to mess up your in game performance.
2) For me personally I like to leave the helper for percentages of each size with frequency on. Just to build muscle memory of the correct plays and over time build heuristics around what the range is trying to do across those 16 boards.
Interesting but I disagree with 1 and think training vs different sizes is quite helpful even if I don't play against them all that much. If I know (roughly) how to respond to 33% and 75%, then I expect to be able to estimate a response to 50/66% quite well even if I've never practiced against it, and I'll be much better equipped to respond to the few regs who use pot or overbet. Whereas if all your time is spent training 33%/50%, you will probably be a bit better than me vs those but struggle vs bigger sizes.
Re 2, I like the idea of this but find that it's very difficult not to cheat and look at the percentages before making my choice, so I make myself say it out loud before checking.
Steve Paul I didn't mean only train 55/66% sizing. I meant should train against multiple sizes. In the video you only used 75% sizing, which was quite odd to me, but I understand now that your previous video you were using smaller sizes, so each video you are training vs different size rather than have them mixed in the same video.
Enjoyed the video and the format. Cool program. I will be adding to my training tools. For cbetting does it allow you to add 2 flop sizes ex 1/3 and 3/4 to train which size is better on which board? Can you practice situations such as being OOP and facing a cbet which hands/frequencies to XR.
Yep, whatever you solve you can train against. I wanted to focus on bigger sizings so only used that. As for practicing oop, that'll be my next video :)
When you drew a new hand for the river decision, it just showed random hands from your preflop range right? Not actual hands that would take this line. (AT was one of the hands on ATxxx, and i assume this hand never gets checked back on flop).
So its not like you said "other hands we get here with"...Thats unfortunate for that feature.
I think you're wrong? I can't seem to find confirmation, but I believe it is drawing a new hand you get there with. ATo is a low frequency checkback on both of the ATx boards I have in that sim, something like 20% of the time (we only check back the combos that block the flush draw and not that often. Also this is using the big flop size, if we're betting 1/3 we probably always bet it?)
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Couple of things
1) I wouldn't use 75% as flop sizing, I think half pot or 2/3 pot is more common if you are not using 1/3. Also just training one size when your opponents are not using that size is really just going to mess up your in game performance.
2) For me personally I like to leave the helper for percentages of each size with frequency on. Just to build muscle memory of the correct plays and over time build heuristics around what the range is trying to do across those 16 boards.
Overall good video.
Interesting but I disagree with 1 and think training vs different sizes is quite helpful even if I don't play against them all that much. If I know (roughly) how to respond to 33% and 75%, then I expect to be able to estimate a response to 50/66% quite well even if I've never practiced against it, and I'll be much better equipped to respond to the few regs who use pot or overbet. Whereas if all your time is spent training 33%/50%, you will probably be a bit better than me vs those but struggle vs bigger sizes.
Re 2, I like the idea of this but find that it's very difficult not to cheat and look at the percentages before making my choice, so I make myself say it out loud before checking.
Steve Paul I didn't mean only train 55/66% sizing. I meant should train against multiple sizes. In the video you only used 75% sizing, which was quite odd to me, but I understand now that your previous video you were using smaller sizes, so each video you are training vs different size rather than have them mixed in the same video.
Ah I see and I agree completely
Enjoyed the video and the format. Cool program. I will be adding to my training tools. For cbetting does it allow you to add 2 flop sizes ex 1/3 and 3/4 to train which size is better on which board? Can you practice situations such as being OOP and facing a cbet which hands/frequencies to XR.
Yep, whatever you solve you can train against. I wanted to focus on bigger sizings so only used that. As for practicing oop, that'll be my next video :)
Great video, had to come back and watch it again!
Thanks!
When you drew a new hand for the river decision, it just showed random hands from your preflop range right? Not actual hands that would take this line. (AT was one of the hands on ATxxx, and i assume this hand never gets checked back on flop).
So its not like you said "other hands we get here with"...Thats unfortunate for that feature.
I think you're wrong? I can't seem to find confirmation, but I believe it is drawing a new hand you get there with. ATo is a low frequency checkback on both of the ATx boards I have in that sim, something like 20% of the time (we only check back the combos that block the flush draw and not that often. Also this is using the big flop size, if we're betting 1/3 we probably always bet it?)
Always partial combos, even if only half a combo that play that way.
Ah great to know, thanks for clearing it up guys.
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