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Steve Paul Reviews RunItTw1ce: Action Players Abound

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POSTED Dec 08, 2021

Steve Paul concludes his three part review of RIO member RunItTw1ce in this mix of $200 and $50 games having firmly established some reads in the previous installments and looking to capitalize on these.

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RunItTw1ce 3 years, 3 months ago

1:20 With KQ on JT5r three way I went for a check but also because I rolled a 94. Then I timed out, but would have checked the turn again because I RNG 86. River because of the time out it just auto checked before I could rejoin the table in time. Steve Paul Are you playing XC or XR on the flop? Wizard mostly XC and the suits don't seem to matter too much. Thought it would be a slightly higher XR frequency. Maybe a pure XC being 3 way?

13:00 Spoiler to the JJ vs 99 vs ?? hand. I thought there was a timing tell here, on the flop he snap called, which I think a flush draw would consider raising? That combined with the min 3bet just didn't make sense to me.

13:14 when facing 4x opens from BTN / SB which I am seeing more and more of in this pool, what type of range are we supposed to defend? I know BB folds some vs BU that opens 3x starts to fold Q9o J9o type hands, so vs 4x how much tighter are we supposed to be? I struggle with ranges against 4x and 5x opens all the time. I feel way too nitty with my 3bet range and cold call range. Here I actually folded J3s which is probably still a defend IP. I'm guessing its like J7s+ if BU opened 4x?

16:30 For the river bet size in Jericho's recent video he stated solver never goes less than half pot on the river. I found on wizard there is some 10% and 35% being used depending on the sim you choose between general or complex, but despite the options being available in both one sim actually uses block and other doesn't use it at all! Not really sure why this is. I do agree AJ here should size up as my kicker still plays, I mostly block though (leak of mine) to target under pairs and ace high.

Steve Paul 3 years, 3 months ago

1:20 I would mix, probably would have raised a bit more than wizard does but something in that vicinity.
13:14 My main answer is I don't know. We get worse odds but villains who 4x/5x tend to be weaker players. My default would be to call pretty tight but still 3bet a reasonable amount.
16:30 I'm guessing he said solver never goes less than half pot in position, solvers use a ton of smaller bets OOP on the river.

RunItTw1ce 3 years, 3 months ago

22 min Spoiler On this hand I noticed my pot odds are almost 30%, so looks like guy just clicked the 75% raise button without thinking too much about his size and only took 5 seconds to actually raise. I thought it was quite strong. I do agree it can be AK/AA here, but I tend to see the pool mostly flat AK/AA here being MW to the river and I didn't think my 2/3 sizing really induced anything on the river. Probably more of a low stake adjustment, I'm sure I'm burning money here on 200NL if I make this fold.

24min with AA preflop SB vs CO 4B you mentioned if pool 4bets too tight you don't mind jamming. I did some research with KK actually because I was curious how often I actually ran into AA, QQ, AK because it seemed every time I got my money in the pool had a very high frequency of AA. I was actually researching if its possible to fold KK preflop, sounds like a waste of time doing this research, but it actually benefited me quite a bit! What I learned from this research is AK is actually folding to 5bet 14% of the time, calling the 3bet 36% of the time and then 4betting / 5betting all in themselves the other 50% of the time. JJ is calling 3bet 35% of the time, 4betting or calling 5 bet all in 41% and folding 24% when facing a 4bet. If I 5bet shove here, I'm up against roughly 8 combos of AK, 5 combos AA, 6 combos of KK, 3 combos of QQ, and 2.5 combos of JJ. Then there are some random bluffs in there as well which I didn't count mainly AQo/A5s. If pool is not stacking off 100% of QQ/JJ/AK would you still 5 bet jam or slow play more Steve Paul ? With that said I guess it really depends on the day of the week or time of the day because I did get snapped by TT and A10s preflop yesterday in a tighter formation. Just curious if you like slow play more to try and stack their QQ-TT/AQo type hands here post flop or still like jamming preflop.

29:00 you are right about over doing blocks, you said exactly what I was thinking with blocking JTc and J9c, but I'm over doing blockers on earlier streets. Thank you for pointing out matters only when ranges get more narrow.

Quick note on Mono boards, the higher the mono-board the less we can bet as the IP raiser. The lower the mono board the more we can bet because we have a bunch of high club equity cards as well as more made flushes in a BTN vs BB formation SRP.

Thank you for doing a part 3! I was not expecting this actually and completely forgot! My game has improved a ton from these student reviews so a special thank you for these three parts!

Steve Paul 3 years, 3 months ago

24min again a tough one to answer because we don't know how often they barrel off, etc. But generally speaking I'm more inclined to slowplay AA the more bluff 4bets they have. AK/QQ-JJ occasionally folding to a jam is unfortunate but we don't always stack them when we call so I don't think that's too big of a deal. It's the AQo/KJo type hands that we much prefer call against, so the fewer of those villain has the more I want to jam pre.

omgalbertojoao 3 years, 3 months ago

On the Ad6c hand (30:23), would it be too nitty just too fold I was looking at btn bet range dont think my pool is betting those unnatural hands like A9,K7,T7 of hearts on the turn against a more equity driven bet range on the turn those it still make sense to call? Our iam I just massively overfolding turn.

Also got that "tick" of looking at results while playing like you said just makes you go into an emotional state. Hard too kick that tho .. quitting smoking was easier lol

Steve Paul 3 years, 3 months ago

For me 2bb is too much to give up, but I can imagine players against whom folding is pretty clear.

The checking results thing is crazy, I've "successfully" quit several times but recently I've caught myself doing it again

RunItTw1ce 3 years, 3 months ago

Friend recommended a book "Treating Poker Like a business" by Dustin "Leatherass" RIP! Said the book taught him not to look at results for entire month! I could probably do it if I dont open Pt4, cant use HUd in zone anyways... I just like to review sessions after or next morning.

RunItTw1ce 3 years, 3 months ago

I seem to not be able to see certain comments. I screen shot my notifications to see if others can see this comment someone left or if its just me? When I click on the notification it just takes me to the top of this page.

Do others see this comment or NOT see this comment?

RunItTw1ce 3 years, 3 months ago

edit: Maybe it is just a deleted post as I can see Kalupso post as well now that I couldn't see his post in the past. Maybe someone will be kind enough to let us know if they deleted their comment haha and I can stop being paranoid.

erict87 3 years, 3 months ago

Yo! I deleted it and was gonna clean it up and meant to get back to it this week, been super busy. If you can still see it great but if not I'll summarize it better below (will still be long). I agree with Steve on the short term results stuff being crazy.

One thing I like to do is keep up a long term sample graph next to my tables at all times which stays static and just keeps me from going in and checking my results while playing. Even if someone didn't have a long term sample graph, I'd still recommend to put up a static shorter term one where they played well/ran well (that's usually how you win money in poker) to stop them from playing without confidence. And in that case at least they won't be constantly refreshing their bankroll/graph to see how much they are up/down.

I found that the worst time to have results or graphs running through your head is during a session since it can lead you to making mistakes you wouldn't have, losing confidence which leads to the former and lower volume/not feeling like playing or doing stuff like pulling back on bluffs that you would have just gone for had you not looked at/thought about a recent graph or downswing. Just a whole host of problems that can easily compound if you're not careful. It's easy to slip back into old habits so it helps to keep you on track. Looking at small samples can be really tempting. I'm more of a visual person, most guys are, so being able to reassure myself and redirect my focus instantly from a short term one to a long term one really helps. When I look next to my tables and see how well I've done, any thinking of short term variance is pretty much instantly gone. Because after 18 years of playing online (bovada and ignition since it came out), for me that feeling has never completely went away and I'll find myself second guessing my plays during downswings. Confidence and conviction in your plays with poker is really important, even more so online with the sheer amount of volume we put in on a yearly basis. x10 on a zone table with no clock. Some of these downswings can be absolutely brutal as everyone here knows. Sometimes I'll have my graph up while I'm streaming low stakes twitch for fun (used to stream on SteveHarveysSon and since switched to SippedTV) and maybe someone thinks it's an ego thing or a results thing, but that couldn't be further from the truth. It's just a reminder to not set my sights on a session to session basis and to redirect my focus to my overall game so that I can stay focused on my tables.

That static graph has been my best friend in poker for a long time. If I'm running bad I take one look at it and I want to jump right back on the tables since it's 0 EV to sit in my chair and not play at all. No matter how confident I feel, it's nice to be able to visualize it and know 100% sure that most of the spots I'm worrying about are likely variance. And again, if someone didn't have a long term graph to redirect themselves to, confidence comes from competence usually, so using a shorter term one is beneficial temporarily until that person knows they've got a good idea of what's going on. There may be few downsides such as false sense of confidence or something like that, but the pros would largely outweigh the cons imo. I'm sure there are other ways to tackle short term variance like affirmations or using logic, but that graph is just instant for me. I find myself glancing over maybe once sometimes twice a session now and short term variance is totally gone from my mind from that point on lasting until I'm done usually.

RunItTw1ce 3 years, 3 months ago

erict87 happy you wrote the post as well. Last 2 days I have been able to just run PT4 in the back and not look until after my session was over. I'm going to attempt to not look at PT4 at all until the next day as my next step and eventually will only look once a week. After I click "get hands while playing" I just leave that screen up on PT4 and don't click on results or statistics. My GF said she will help me as well not look at the results "I won't cook for you if you look at the results." This actually helped a ton! haha.

A couple of things really stood out in your post though.

lower volume/not feeling like playing or doing stuff like pulling back on bluffs

Lower volume because I'm winning a bunch is definitely a thing and my lowest volume even comes after a 3-5 buy-in swing over a short period of time where I force myself to take a 10-60 minute break. I get back on and drop another 3 buy-in and get off immediately again. This doesn't completely go away because you still see it happen when it happens over a short period of time but if you were resetting your stack 150,200, or 300bb deep before this stretch you don't really know if you are up or down. This should allow people to keep playing. Then I just keep the marshmellow test in the back of my head. Jericho has a video on this as well for mental game. Having a delayed gratification for not looking at results and being patient leading to more longer term success. The other part you touched on is pulling back on bluffs. When you are winning and coming to the end of your session, Idk how many times I flatted a 3bet with AK instead of 4 betting because I wanted to hold onto my profit and not take a flip, like BTN vs Sb type thing where I know the EV is close but it's definitely a high frequency 4bet where you end up just picking up 10-15bb in dead money most of the time. Then vice versa where I'm stuck on the session and I end up defending the 3 bet with KJo or 86s type hands that are very marginal against 3bets trying to get unstuck. Just a brutal way of playing poker based on being up or down. So thank you for this post and pointing out how bad it can really be.

I want to jump right back on the tables since it's 0 EV to sit in my chair

I will keep this in my mind at all times going forward as well.

erict87 3 years, 3 months ago

Yeah I agree. Refreshing my session graphs on PT4 while I played really messed me up more than it helped me. I usually just use it for the HUD, otherwise HEM2 for me - I'm still old school.

I should have worded that last part a little differently. If you're a winning player, it's actually a bigger risk to not play than it is to play. It feels counterintuitive because not playing or studying > playing feels "safe". I'd even wager to say that at some point, given real time assistance will become even easier to use, every day you don't play the online poker situation becomes exponentially worse. Considering online poker has a short shelf life (5 years? 7 years? Who knows maybe I'm too optimistic). So right now it's more crucial than ever to mass volume. That's easier said than done for sure. That was something Tyler told me that really stuck with me and made me want to play more and get as much out of this thing before it goes under, and I think at some point it inevitably does.

One other thing that has helped me during downswings that a friend told me. If you don't feel like playing sometimes it's best to just make yourself play for 5 or 10 minutes. And if after that point you still don't feel like playing - get off. What I've found is that when you actually get going and get in that groove, or maybe you see a few fish on your tables and the game looks good, you almost always want to keep going. From there it's pretty common for me to get an hour or two in on a day when I wouldn't have played otherwise.

matlittle 3 years, 2 months ago

As a fellow recovering results-checking-addict I can certainly relate to all of this and appreciate the good advice! I used to have winrate in BB/100 on the top line of my HUD stats. Thought it was useful for analysing other players at a glance, but it would make me constantly aware of whether I was winning or losing in a session and would have an effect on my play. I've since removed it but still find myself checking every now and then, especially when losing.

I like this idea of the long term graph available to look at! I do a similar thing in looking at long term stats if I'm on a downswing. Will get the graph open/minimised for next session and see if it helps.

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