Check-Raising the Flop: Understanding the Why
Posted by Steve Paul
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On A73r why do we check raise 95s 85s and not 98s?
1) it has to do with the barreling range on the turn being more low cards that we barrel.
2) it has to do with the folding range. BTN is folding 88 99 T9s 98s at some frequency either on the flop or close to pure on the turn. 98s has double blockers to the folding range.
3) 98s turns combo draw on Tx turn but it doesn't complete any straights to make IP more scared of our range and also improves the high card region of TT and AT. We are more likely to face some turn raises with T9s 98s in a XR-B line than we are with 95s/85s.
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KTTr I was surprised to see all pairs continue vs the XR for IP. The 33/22 has some clean boat outs and unblocks the BC-F range. I expected to see 55/44 in the XR range as well. Just unblockers to AQ AJ QJ Q9 etc. Then less of the straight draws as making a straight on a paired board will have some reverse implied odds. Also on the turn are people really continuing QQ JJ 88-55 vs a XR-B ? I expect our FE to be higher on the turn.
Not sure what to think people do on these, I feel like you have people deviating in both directions. It's not that difficult to see that a hand like QQ is better than KJ or whatever given that you can actually get paid on a Q river. 55 is a bit tougher because OOPs bluffs have so much more equity, so wouldn't be surprised to see those fold more than solver does.
35min Q86ss Some times I play too scared on these boards where with my 2 pair or set I want to see a clean turn before piling money in. I saw a video by Qi Yang that talked about betting small on 754r and smaller on 754dd. I thought playing OOP XR would be similar to this. On wet boards we don't want to XR our value too often because there are a lot of bad runouts that favor IP. I think I'm taking it too far though. Even IP here with QQ 88 66 are only calling 2/3 of the time vs a XR instead of 3 betting.
Wizard screen shot showing Q8s / 86s / Q6s having 76-80% equity. How do we decide to fast play these hands vs call and evaluate?
I think the short answer is just you want them in both ranges. I'd also take some issue with the idea that the runouts that are bad for our flopped strong hands favour IP. IP is the one who will have many more 1 pair hands so a runout that's bad for 86 on Q86tt will be bad for a big chunk of IP range as well.
My current read of the meta is that people get very sticky on boards where there are many possible draws to xr and those draws miss so I'm somewhat inclined to raise a little too often with my flopped strong hands.
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