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Sometimes You Must Fold: $2.5/$5 6_max Zoom NLHE Live Session

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Elías Gutierrez

POSTED Dec 22, 2017

Seasons greetings from Elías Gutierrez aka SinKarma as he checks in from Tokyo with a $500 Zoom NLHE session.

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Depolarizing 7 years, 1 month ago

@2:12 What is the purpose of choosing the 3 street game with TT over a 2 street one? Don't you have many hands in your SB 3b range that are incentivized to play a 2 street game?

Elías Gutierrez 7 years, 1 month ago

I think my top range wants to follow that sequence, my bluffs must continue with them.
Two streets game might be ok but we should go ALL-IN on the turn with the bluffs and hands like AK - AA, making some tricky checks with Straights etc. I am not sure if TT is strong enough to be in my all in range and it was a 3way pot so I might have to play tighter with my top pairs - Overpairs.

Both sequences are ok I think.

Elías Gutierrez 7 years ago

The bottom range bluffing or valuebetting?
Check my response to That´s a Bingo out. maybe it kind of helps.

Regards.

Depolarizing 7 years ago

I mean, what is the bottom of your value betting range on the turn that intends to go for three street game?

Elías Gutierrez 7 years ago

It depends:

1/ If you think he is calling on the river more than 50% of times with weaker hands than Twopair+ you should go All in with AK - AA and bluff more often.

2/ If you think he is calling on the river more than 50% of times with Twopair+ then you should use twopair+ and bluff less often.

The most important thing is: Never stop valuebetting if you must do it because strategies based on traps or passive moves are usually the worst strategies.

Deactivated User 7 years, 1 month ago

@8:25 "this is the turn I must check almost all my range"

Would you mind explain why?

Fan of the vlogs btw :)

Elías Gutierrez 7 years, 1 month ago

Paired board + non dinamic turn completing the straight.
That Turn doesn´t help me, it helps bigblind´s range. Normally I want to polarize my bets on the turn, On this Spot my checking range is way bigger than my betting range because I have a lot more often random highcards than pairs and overpairs. When that happens you must protect your checking range with the pairs that need less protection and are unlikely to get 3 calls from a weaker hand.

Any overpair have a thin situation on the river doing 3barrel so solvers usually check the higher overpairs (QQ+) on the turn and bet (JJ-) because those hands need more protection, there are more bad rivers (Qx, Kx, Ax etc). For the same reason you can´t bet any draw or weak bluff you have in your range because you dont have enough strong hands to balance it.

Ty ^^

thereheis 7 years, 1 month ago

We're talking about QTo on 6442, BTN v BB?

No offense Elias, but I think most of what you said is not correct. Most of BB's 4x and 53s raises the flop, so we should have more trips+ in our range by the turn. In addition, a lot of our 1 pair hands want protection.

The Pio simulation I ran has us mostly betting 6x+ and bluffing weaker air like QTo, J8s. Checking a lot of Ax and strong broadway that have showdown value.

Another note from the sim - it is not thin to bet overpairs 3 times on this board assuming the flush doesn't complete.

Elías Gutierrez 7 years ago

To thereheis:

I just run the board in Pio to review what I said and what you said:

In this particular turn you are right, for example Turn 5x fits a lot better with everything I said, Xbeh with QQ+ and some control with bluffs. Bet JJ- protection and definetely ok to bet for value 3streets. (I didn´t say we can´t, I said it´s thin)

Also I thought we must bluff lower overcards like 98, T8, J9, JT, but Qx + backdoor blocker seems to be happy doing bet as well, that´s interesting, definetely we must bet more often than what I thought.

I guess I studied these kind of boards with higher cards, like 885 etc and the right strategy changes, in very low boards the opponent has less times Trips and straights and most of the times he is doing X-raise on the flop so we can attack this situation very well.

Nice one ^^

MarbellaPoker 7 years, 1 month ago

Nice video. Your style of producing videos- with a non standard format is refreshing. Keep up the good work!

About the AK hand in a three way 3 bet pot at 26 minutes.... I am not sure I agree it is likely that he is floating with AQ, AJ type hands on that flop in a three way pot He is not in a good shape even if he hits an ace. Also...bad players always put a lot of AK hands in our range. :)

Elías Gutierrez 7 years ago

Hello ^^
It happened in the minute 22 :P

I would say he definetely can call a 25% bet just for odds, it´s super cheap, even weaker hands with backdoor. Obv regulars will fold that spot but I think your thoughts are in a total different level thinking because you understand poker a lot better, he is a middle stack doing "call" vs my 3bet with another player IP vs him, he doesn´t know what he is doing.

Bingo 123 7 years, 1 month ago

1st hand TT you said rivr was going to be difficult, how do you approach it ? Should it be a 3barrel on blanks, what about a spade ?

7:45 KQ on T93r You cbet 70% Why is the sizing larger with your range on this texture ?

18:40 AQs you coldcall a 3bet, What hands will you have in this range I assume you also have a cold 4bet range.
I always thought that having a 4bet or fold strategy is best there, what do you think about this ? My thinking is our range is well devined when we do flat, or maybe we also should mix in QQ+,AK in this range ?

Thanks for the nice video! its refreshing to see someone with this unique approach! Good luck to you and enjoy Tokyo! Kanpai!

Elías Gutierrez 7 years ago

1/ Super difficult question:
- River blank is ok to bluff if you think he has AQ and hands like that calling on the turn and folding on the river + some missed draws.
- If you think the other guy will call too much because he is folding middle pairs on the turn you can give up on the river.
- If the river completes the flush and you have flushes in your range, probably you must bluff, always or maybe only when you have the spade with TT and check with AA AK always and make the check call when you block the spade with those hands. Another approach is check 100% on the spade river and call with flushes, sets and AA KK blocking the spade hoping he is turning a middle pair into a bluff to make AK or AA fold.

2/ I studied those textures with Pio and it seems to prefer higher sizings, there are many approaches but I am following this one.

3/ I usually follow poker snowie on these situations, in this particular hand I am not playing balanced, cold4bet is definetely ok, for more information I recomend you to check that program.

4/ 4bet vs call strategy: I agree with you, I prefer a 4bet strategy as my general approach.

Thanks, gl on the tables!

24kMagic 7 years ago

Hi Elías,

21 mins. 9d8d btn vs co.
1. What's your general calling range here?
2. How do you tweak that range with a fish in the blinds?

Thanks

Elías Gutierrez 7 years ago

Hello 24kMagic

1/ I usually follow Pokersnowie on those situations, I think it´s the best approach nowadays.
2/ Probably we should increase it maybe 30% depending of the fish and how many regulars are left.

Regards

24kMagic 7 years ago

Thanks for your reply Elías,

Would be interesting to hear a bit more of your thoughts if you don't mind.

If we have a flatting range here with low/mid pockets isn't board coverage on low/mid flops a concern if we fold a hand like 98s?

Or are low suited aces enough to balance?

Elías Gutierrez 7 years ago

Helllo again!

About 98s:
I usually call with 9Ts against that size and I will 3bet other hands like Axs or 76s 65s because they have more equity against overpairs, if I play 89s I am playing too many hands and my range postflop will suffer.

I am not calling any pocket pair either. I am folding 55 - 22 BTN vs CO, probably calling if there is a weak player on the blinds.

I am just trying to play solid preflop in general. I dont like a loose style preflop nowadays. The real money is postflop and I dont want to spend my energy on those situations, the energy is limited and I might need it on another situation where real money is on the pot. There isn´t any money playing 98s btn vs co against a decent player, it´s just a waste of resources unless as I said, he is a weak player.

Here are my thoughts, Regards!

GuestSWE 7 years ago

Pretty good vid Elias! Appreciate the effort to bring some entertainment value into the vids, lord knows the vids of some other coaches are a drag to watch.

livewhale 7 years ago

21:04 You have him labeled red, not sure what that label represents but is 89s not a 3bet there? If not, is 910s the bottom or do you prefer blocker type hands like suited ax and kqo, kjo?

Elías Gutierrez 7 years ago

I usually call with 9Ts against that size and I will 3bet other hands like Axs or 76s 65s because they have more equity against overpairs, if I play 89s I am playing too many hands and my range postflop will suffer.

Jakob Tøstesen 7 years ago

Hi

First of all decent content and I think you format is better than the typical 500NL zoom videos.

But you are speaking a lot of what you are doing(ex now Im raising AK) which basically is a waste of time and very little of why you are doing things. It would be very helpful if you would explain your thought process a lot more.
A practical example from your vid could be this: 16.25. You fold 87s from the SB versus a 2x from the button and you tell us this: “this one is interesting but I will say this is a borderline fold”. And thats it.
I mean – if its interesting don’t you think it deserves a bit more explanation? I myself is very curios to hear your logic behind folding in this spot – it would take some pretty extreme assumptions for Pio to fold here.

Elías Gutierrez 7 years ago

I understand your message but I can´t say much more about 87s (the hand you use as example) My first thought was "interesting" basically it wasn´t an snap fold, when I proccessed the hand (and maybe I checked my preflop tables) then I said "it´s a borderline fold".

That situation is an open 3way pot because Bigblind is still there, Pio solver is useless to solve that hand since it only solves 1vs1 situations, you can check the hand on Pokersnowie.

I will try to avoid to talk about useless stuff like this in general to save energy to the real interesting hands, maybe some people wont like it but a lot of other people will apreciatte more time and explanations on other things as well cause the real money is postflop and preflop everyone can follow Snowie and play good poker and they dont need me for that.

Maybe other coaches are taking more time to explain preflop decisions I dont know but I will not put too much time on those thoughts sorry.

Jakob Tøstesen 7 years ago

Hi

Thanks for your response.

I dont agree in that Pio is useless in these kind of spots. Obv Pio isnt 100% accurate because of the player left to act and Pio's inability to take that into account. But I think it fairly easy to make a very close approximation if you take BB's 4bet frequency into account.

I look forward to your next video!

Elías Gutierrez 7 years ago

I recomend you to use Pokersnowie for these kind of spots, it´s way more accurate than any aproximation you can do using Pio.

Regards!

FlaXmarZ 7 years ago

Hi
Good video!

21min you fold 89s btn vs cutoff open. Isnt that a great spot to 3bet and put pressure on co:s wide range?

You mention that we generally wanna bet bigger cb sizings from earlier postions vs BB defend and smaller sizes from button.
Reasons behind that?

Elías Gutierrez 7 years ago

1/ I prefer other hands like AXs or lower suited conectors on that situation because they have more equity against overpairs, if I use 89s I will 3bet way too much and I will have problems against decent players.

2/ I studied that with Pio and it seems to be the best approach because of the composition of our ranges in early compare to Btn etc, it´s a different game basically.

Regards!

Slam Liu 6 years, 11 months ago

Hi, Elias
Nice vids, thank you for your high quality vids!

I have a different thought at 10:50 on that JJ thin bet before facing a river shove.
If you have to bet on a Q high board, would it better to x/c on river since like you have a mindset to pay him off like ~$100ish to him. By x/c you can decide rather you would like to fold or call, it depends on he's size. That thin bet you were using I don't think you have flush combos very much by the actions of x/x bet heavy, bet thin.

If I were him I will put you on AT,KT,JJ,TJs types of hand. It's easy to shove bluffing with Ahx,Khx to your river size because I think your range is capped by that river sizing. I prefer to x/c depends on his river size.

AcefromSpace 6 years, 11 months ago

I think this is the perfect format for you, I really like it. :)
In another video you said you worked with snowie. What do you think about snowies preflop play/advice? Do you think its a good approach for high stakes live poker?

round2 6 years, 4 months ago

Hey Elías Gutierrez ,

7:49 - you 3bet KQo in BB v BTN --> You c-bet 2/3-3/4psb on T94r and you talk about using this sizing with your entire range. A couple of questions.

1) What are your thoughts on 1/3psb sizing in this spot instead? what makes you use 2/3-3/4 instead? (edit - i saw you answer this question ^^, but am still curious about the q2+3)

2) What hands are you x/f'ing or x/c'ing with in this spot?

3) if your c-bet gets raised and you're holding JJ-AA, are you auto-stacking off?

Thanks!

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