Small Blind PLO Play (Part 2)
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Tks for providing these hands. Playing out of the SB is difficult but we have to defend some of our hands and this provided lots of food for thought
Thanks So_Nitty, glad you enjoy! :)
Hey Durian love your videos!
I realize this is somewhat outside the scope of these videos but I figure it can't hurt to ask... I play a ton of live plo and in the games I play the button usually Mississippi straddles and action starts on the sb. I remember in one of your early vids you said you used to play a lot of live plo too. Any chance you could give some thoughts on how you would approach sb play in these games? Thanks!
Play extremely tight in those spots. unless the game is playing very passive.There is not much going for you in that spot. Think of it this way. In non straddled situations we play really tight in the SB and we are almost closing action (only the BB can re-open). In a btn straddle spot we have all the same downsides but we now are facing uncapped ranges of every player dealt in who can each re-open action.
Thanks Zach, share your thoughts exactly on this one again :)
Got very limited experience playing with mississippi straddle, as its not used that often in Europe. But from what i have played it, i really didn't like it. I feel it gives the button maybe even a too strong position, and if playing with competent player pool, people realize that they need to be a lot tighter from blinds and early, which should lead to less post flop action = less fun :) But probably in many live games this isn't the case and plrs are too loose in these situations, so it probably turns in your favor and mississippi might very well be the best game choice! :)
Thanks for the responses guys seems like we're all in agreement. I actually hate Mississippi solely because I think it's terrible for the game, don't know why you'd want to force people to play tighter OOP! Btw in the games I play they let you do it for 5x bb (lol). That said I do think I adjust to it better than my opponents. When the game is full ring or close to it I actually won't have an opening range at all from sb because players love to see flops multiway. I just play pretty tight limp 100% and then back raise some portion of those hands, it's been working out pretty well for me.
It's crazy to dislike straddling in live PLO. It makes the game bigger and people are VPIPing with random cards in a full ring game which is obviously lighting money on fire. And people aren't adjusting, playing too loose and passive anyway.
Good video
20:08: You reference checking as a means to protect your river checking range. However, given opponent's lack of hands worse than two pair (about 16% according to my analysis) as well as possible inclination to check back flushes (especially T-high or worse which constitutes about 9% of his 14% flush range) I would think that this is a spot where you should be leading your nut flushes much more frequently than you check them. It seems doubtful that you will be able to get a successful c/r in against those 9% of flushes whereas they would very often call a lead. You also really want to target the 70% of his two pair range (according to my analysis) and I don't think you have much to worry about the 16% of his range that is worse than two pair (13% that is worse than an ace) because you will have other flushes to protect yourself with anyway.
Hi Pplbamba!
Exellent analysis here! I didnt prolly come out like i actually ment in the video.
I do also think this way, but in this hand chose to check this time, because if we always lead our nuts here it might present problems with our checking range here on river against good opponents.
@DonQ
Utg straddle is great for the game, letting the button straddle for 5x the bb is not it makes the game play smaller not bigger.
44:11 What is our plan if opponent bets a flop?
Hi Sharkie!
Good question and actually super tough spot if facing a bet here.
Some opponents stab here with extremely small bets, and against that i would start with a call as a default and take it from there. In this scenario its true that turns are extremely tricky to play for us but we just need to learn how to navigate there.. Against big/pot bet would start with a fold as a default, since i feel that most plrs are usually having good enough hand to get it in when taking this line, and our hand in this spot certainly doesnt do well against any reasonable gii range.
Overall we need to have enough hands in our check call and check raising range here aswell, and especially remember to keep our check call range not too face up. These ace high boards are prolly often c-betted bit too often by the 3 bettor and for that reason many dont have check calling or check raising ranges well balanced in these spots, and they might be extremely good spots to take a light stab if checked to.
Nice video on a fairly difficult subject! Gone are the days when people like Brian Townsend were telling you "not to play marginal hands out of position" on a video.
I have some questions on the hands:
First the hand in which you're trying to pronounce "vulnerable". For a Finn, I'd recommend trying to pronounce it like this: "vul-ne-re-bl".
On the board of 3h 9d 4d Ah Td, pot 3.3k and you having 4.6k left, how about betting small - like 1k - with a wide range (all flushes, top2 or top+middle as a blockingbet, 456 or 567-kind of stuff as a bluff)? His most likely holding is top2, as Pplbamba points out, so we'd like him to call with that. However, if you bet, he is probably only calling with some strong flushes, as the bet makes your hand look very strong (you are rarely bluffing with the naked Ad, as you did check-call two times with something!). This way we also avoid the problem of the checking range being too weak.
The another hand I wanted to ask about was the one you 3bet with AQK5ds. The flop was
Td 3c Ac and the pot on the flop 420, and the villain had 1,85k left. In his video on "playing 3bet pots out of position (2nd part)", Phil Galfond suggests potting these spots, "making the best use your equity advantage". Here a pot-sized bet would make the pot 1260 on the turn, leaving him 1430 behind - you're almost getting it in on the turn. Why did/do you prefer a bet of 250 in that spot?
Should Q987ts not be a fold in SB?
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