hello sam! some food for thought on the ev vs. variance comment. I am facing more of the second one (beat) and really guessing how to properly balance this in both types of fields (smaller with regs and larger with more fun players).
one of the things that I notice is that frequencies from BB (when they check) are way off from the minimum to not be exploited. Maybe is because people play the bottom of their preflop ranges passively instead of bluffing a part of them that will make a profitable cbet on a lot of A/K high textures with atc in the hole. I would like to hear more from you (don't know if you actually can do it because it is like, how to play again my strategy) on the BB respond preflop. I see people raising A3s/JTs and thinking that 93o/T2o just "got lucky" to see the flop for free but this implies losing the BB with a frequency that let us be exploited a ton in a huge percentage of flop textures.
12:40 QThh on A54hh5. when you bet on a card that is better for his range than yours in a sizing that is proportionally higher than the one you made the on the flop shouldn't him should be less incentivize to start bluffing ?
22:00 85cc on K43K. (talking from cEV stand point) The only way I see to play this turn card is aggressively but I rather x/r than lead since when we lead he can call almost any turn and river with his bluff catchers. In overall the x/c-lead strategy would make our bluffs cheaper but in this dry of a board his bluff catchers are almost good against a range that isn't that polarized with very strong hands when we bet this sizing otr. When we decide to x/r turn (a guy as aggressive as he is probably is betting turn frequently) in a card that is better for his range than ours it should increase the river fold equity in higher level than leading turn. But again, is hard to say how to properly balance (specially given ICM considerations) our expensive with higher fold equity bluffs to our cheap bluffs but in this case against him I see the price as right.
32:20 J9hh on T76ccJ. you said that you may x/r heart turns. this is a board that I am more inclined to lead heart turns than x/r because the board itself increases the fold equity against aggression, differently from K43K. So the board makes our bluffs cheaper because we have more thin value bets bvb against a preflop check back range. In this type of board I think in general we play better as a depolarized range and in K43K we play better a polarized range. Ah/Kh/Qh he is probably not betting turn with a high frequency with his flop value range and when he does, we have a bit of equity drop because the J is probably not good since his Tx that continues betting OTT are more likely to be two pair.
Well, I wrote it before the hands finish and I really not sure about his turn and river strategy. If he wants to bet as a equity denial I think his weak Tx (and most of his range in this board) hands plays better betting larger OTT and checking a lot of rivers. If he doesn't "block" bet turn he is getting bluffed a ton on rivers and he doesn't have three streets of value with such a weak Tx so I rather try to get only two streets in a board that is this wet because we are not x/r all 2p OTT, for example. I think his river bet is quite optimistic.
Sorry for writing so many words but I busted too early today and had a lot of extra time. Another excellent video, congratulations.
Edit: This made me rethink somethings about my small blind strategy that now I adjusted to something probably near same EV but with a smaller variance, which is amazing against players I skill dominate in hypers.
12:40 Your right that he shouldn't start bluffing with a high frequency and I should have a check-calling range here (which I do have), not my place to start critiquing opponents as accomplished as Ben though.
22:00 When top pair repeats equities become quite polarised and you expect villain to be checking back a lot so we rarely get in a craise. A high or any pair also has a lot of showdown value so we wanna charge those a price with value hands and put pressure on bluff-catchers. Think my strategy works OK, but it's not a spot I have down perfectly. Think folding flop could be fine.
32:20 Thanks for such a detailed response here. Shows what an evolving an unsolved part of the game this remains that neither of us have any even near definitive ranges for these spots. As the hand plays out against this opponent I think craise bluffing and craising for value is good as his turn frequencies seem to be way out of line (something you find a lot in blind battles) but that's definitely an explit.
Thanks, as always, for detailed response. Really helps me improve my own game aswell.
12:40 yeah, my intention isn't critiquing here, just trying to get more information :D. If I sounded like it sorry.
22:00 I certainly agree that usual opponents are checking back a good portion of the time in the K turn but massari always seem overaggressive to me and I think he bets 77 sometimes there, since our range have less Kx than his, thats probably why I tend to x/r turn.
32:20 yeah, certainly agree.
Keep more of this 'theory' in practice videos coming!
66's hand @12min doesn't make any sense at all. If you feel he's active enough to iso/jam wide, then he's surely active enough for us to raise/jam our hand vs his 3bet. By limp/raise/calling you're inducing mostly hands that we're flipping with (instead of folding them out by raise/jamming) and you're also gonna end up playing postflop vs his checkbacking range consisting a lot of J7-type of hands, which might often fold preflop to a steal as he seems pretty tight.
I agree with you too a large extent. However, in general in reg-field tough tournaments I'm experimenting with limping the whole of my range at this stack depth. To prevent us getting iso-ed relentlessly we need to have reasonably wide value range to limp-raise with. Think 66 is good enough. As an exploit against someone who 3-bets too much your line may well be better.
Great video. Have been feeling really rusty with blind vs blind play lately and I'm going to give this a try.
How often do you deviate from the base strategy of limping bvb, considering how often players are weaker and just check back larger portions of their range to see flops (lower stakes). Do you worry you're losing value from those players by limping your strongest hands as well?
This is a strategy that works best in tougher tournaments. In say the Big 55 or the Hot tournaments players are still over-folding so you can just open. I like it a lot as a base strategy but you can open as your standard if you play a low abi and just adopt against good regs, when the stacks are deep, or when there are negative ICM consequences for getting in high-variance spots with marginal EV.
QThh @ 13.00 vs neverscaredB you say you would raise here vs him when he got 18bb. Dont we want to limp/call QThh vs 18bb bacause we're gonna be r/f alot in that spot and we want to see a flop with a hand like this?
Yh, your right. Think in the vid i do readjust my position and say that with 18bbs and no ante's i would limp in order to peel. This hand such a great one to see a flop with at all stack depths.
i noticed today that i do limp the SB a lot at pretty much any stage of the tournament (depending on a couple of things of course) and i was wondering if my strategy was ok.. couple of hours later i saw this vid.. thanks! :D great job!
Great theory video, it's really helpful too see hands only from a certain situation vs whole tourney.
@ K5o and 65o, would you not consider raise-folding with these type of hands as you don't mind not seeing a flop and will take down the blinds most often pre, especially in low abi mtts?
@ can you explain why "equities become quite polarised" when the top pair repeats and what does it mean exactly? Thks!!
Hey bro. Raising from the sb in low buy-in MTTs is often the most profitable strategy and particularly with the sort of hands you identify. As you move a little higher in stakes it may well be that a mixed strategy is also optimal, but it would require a lot of work to keep ranges anywhere near to balanced, also cos people defend way more you gonna be playing larger pots with a weak range oop which is obviously not great. This is why in at a lot of stack depths I just limp my whole range.
So equities become more polarised when top pair repeats because frequently a player with no pair or second pair is drawing dead. Or AA is now a 90% favourite or a 90% dog. This is in contrast to turn cards than bring back door flush draws and straight draws where equities run closer and eve two pair or a set needs to be conscious of protection.
Let me know if that's clear for you or you want me to go into in more depth
So, you're gonna hate me for this. How about a video about SB mixed strategy vs LP and BvB? I guess Ben would be more up to the task, but I don't envy whoever has to do it. I've dabbled a fair bit with constructing said ranges and hated life every single time I've tried.
In general yes. As in against real good opponents I limp 100% at a lot of stack depths. The only difference is that live your gonna get way more recreational opponents where raising ATC bvsb is gonna be printing. So there's just way more room for exploitative strategies in live poker.
Hey sam thanks for this video, couple of questions:
1. what kind of range do you fold in the SB if you use a limping strategy?
2. you say that you have a raise strategy with 18bbs from the sb, so we can raise/call a bunch vs hands that we dominate. How does this raising range look and how does the limping range (I assume we have one look in general? Are we also folding a part of our raising range also (raise/fold)?
Against some people I would fold nothing, given that we get a great price and our range is protected. Against others bottom 10-15%
My thinking on this point has developed some since this video. I adapt my strategy depending on my stack size, opponents stack size and the point in the tournament. So if I cover someone in a bounty tournament, being all in with a reasonable range of value hands will be advantageous so I will raise 100% of hands, in a different situation, suppose we are covered on a final table I'll limp 100% of hands because a low variance/cautious approach is going to be beast with the majority of my range.
Creating your raise/fold and raise/call range is something you'll have to work on yourself. I wouldn't be confident sharing mine and suggesting it was perfect.
Would you be comfortable sharing your imperfect ranges? :p
In all seriousness, that's probably a bit too kinky a confession even for RIO. Wouldn't mind if you'll go there, but I think anyone would understand if you won't ;)
On the hand with AQ toy say around 19:25 that taking a strong line in a board that hits you is basically going to make him bluff. Shouldn't be the opposite?
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Great video. Something i would never do in almost any circumstance. Makes perfect sense and a solid breakdown.
Thanks very much pal. So glad you liked it.
hello sam! some food for thought on the ev vs. variance comment. I am facing more of the second one (beat) and really guessing how to properly balance this in both types of fields (smaller with regs and larger with more fun players).
one of the things that I notice is that frequencies from BB (when they check) are way off from the minimum to not be exploited. Maybe is because people play the bottom of their preflop ranges passively instead of bluffing a part of them that will make a profitable cbet on a lot of A/K high textures with atc in the hole. I would like to hear more from you (don't know if you actually can do it because it is like, how to play again my strategy) on the BB respond preflop. I see people raising A3s/JTs and thinking that 93o/T2o just "got lucky" to see the flop for free but this implies losing the BB with a frequency that let us be exploited a ton in a huge percentage of flop textures.
12:40 QThh on A54hh5. when you bet on a card that is better for his range than yours in a sizing that is proportionally higher than the one you made the on the flop shouldn't him should be less incentivize to start bluffing ?
22:00 85cc on K43K. (talking from cEV stand point) The only way I see to play this turn card is aggressively but I rather x/r than lead since when we lead he can call almost any turn and river with his bluff catchers. In overall the x/c-lead strategy would make our bluffs cheaper but in this dry of a board his bluff catchers are almost good against a range that isn't that polarized with very strong hands when we bet this sizing otr. When we decide to x/r turn (a guy as aggressive as he is probably is betting turn frequently) in a card that is better for his range than ours it should increase the river fold equity in higher level than leading turn. But again, is hard to say how to properly balance (specially given ICM considerations) our expensive with higher fold equity bluffs to our cheap bluffs but in this case against him I see the price as right.
32:20 J9hh on T76ccJ. you said that you may x/r heart turns. this is a board that I am more inclined to lead heart turns than x/r because the board itself increases the fold equity against aggression, differently from K43K. So the board makes our bluffs cheaper because we have more thin value bets bvb against a preflop check back range. In this type of board I think in general we play better as a depolarized range and in K43K we play better a polarized range. Ah/Kh/Qh he is probably not betting turn with a high frequency with his flop value range and when he does, we have a bit of equity drop because the J is probably not good since his Tx that continues betting OTT are more likely to be two pair.
Well, I wrote it before the hands finish and I really not sure about his turn and river strategy. If he wants to bet as a equity denial I think his weak Tx (and most of his range in this board) hands plays better betting larger OTT and checking a lot of rivers. If he doesn't "block" bet turn he is getting bluffed a ton on rivers and he doesn't have three streets of value with such a weak Tx so I rather try to get only two streets in a board that is this wet because we are not x/r all 2p OTT, for example. I think his river bet is quite optimistic.
Sorry for writing so many words but I busted too early today and had a lot of extra time. Another excellent video, congratulations.
Edit: This made me rethink somethings about my small blind strategy that now I adjusted to something probably near same EV but with a smaller variance, which is amazing against players I skill dominate in hypers.
12:40 Your right that he shouldn't start bluffing with a high frequency and I should have a check-calling range here (which I do have), not my place to start critiquing opponents as accomplished as Ben though.
22:00 When top pair repeats equities become quite polarised and you expect villain to be checking back a lot so we rarely get in a craise. A high or any pair also has a lot of showdown value so we wanna charge those a price with value hands and put pressure on bluff-catchers. Think my strategy works OK, but it's not a spot I have down perfectly. Think folding flop could be fine.
32:20 Thanks for such a detailed response here. Shows what an evolving an unsolved part of the game this remains that neither of us have any even near definitive ranges for these spots. As the hand plays out against this opponent I think craise bluffing and craising for value is good as his turn frequencies seem to be way out of line (something you find a lot in blind battles) but that's definitely an explit.
Thanks, as always, for detailed response. Really helps me improve my own game aswell.
12:40 yeah, my intention isn't critiquing here, just trying to get more information :D. If I sounded like it sorry.
22:00 I certainly agree that usual opponents are checking back a good portion of the time in the K turn but massari always seem overaggressive to me and I think he bets 77 sometimes there, since our range have less Kx than his, thats probably why I tend to x/r turn.
32:20 yeah, certainly agree.
Keep more of this 'theory' in practice videos coming!
Will do bro and thanks for the detailed feedback.
66's hand @12min doesn't make any sense at all. If you feel he's active enough to iso/jam wide, then he's surely active enough for us to raise/jam our hand vs his 3bet. By limp/raise/calling you're inducing mostly hands that we're flipping with (instead of folding them out by raise/jamming) and you're also gonna end up playing postflop vs his checkbacking range consisting a lot of J7-type of hands, which might often fold preflop to a steal as he seems pretty tight.
I agree with you too a large extent. However, in general in reg-field tough tournaments I'm experimenting with limping the whole of my range at this stack depth. To prevent us getting iso-ed relentlessly we need to have reasonably wide value range to limp-raise with. Think 66 is good enough. As an exploit against someone who 3-bets too much your line may well be better.
Great video. Have been feeling really rusty with blind vs blind play lately and I'm going to give this a try.
How often do you deviate from the base strategy of limping bvb, considering how often players are weaker and just check back larger portions of their range to see flops (lower stakes). Do you worry you're losing value from those players by limping your strongest hands as well?
This is a strategy that works best in tougher tournaments. In say the Big 55 or the Hot tournaments players are still over-folding so you can just open. I like it a lot as a base strategy but you can open as your standard if you play a low abi and just adopt against good regs, when the stacks are deep, or when there are negative ICM consequences for getting in high-variance spots with marginal EV.
Glad you enjoyed the vid.
QThh @ 13.00 vs neverscaredB you say you would raise here vs him when he got 18bb. Dont we want to limp/call QThh vs 18bb bacause we're gonna be r/f alot in that spot and we want to see a flop with a hand like this?
Yh, your right. Think in the vid i do readjust my position and say that with 18bbs and no ante's i would limp in order to peel. This hand such a great one to see a flop with at all stack depths.
i noticed today that i do limp the SB a lot at pretty much any stage of the tournament (depending on a couple of things of course) and i was wondering if my strategy was ok.. couple of hours later i saw this vid.. thanks! :D great job!
We aim to please! Glad the vids been of use!
hello there!! is this video no available anymore?? thank you
It's working for me bro. Perhaps problem with your internet.
Great theory video, it's really helpful too see hands only from a certain situation vs whole tourney.
@ K5o and 65o, would you not consider raise-folding with these type of hands as you don't mind not seeing a flop and will take down the blinds most often pre, especially in low abi mtts?
@ can you explain why "equities become quite polarised" when the top pair repeats and what does it mean exactly? Thks!!
Hey bro. Raising from the sb in low buy-in MTTs is often the most profitable strategy and particularly with the sort of hands you identify. As you move a little higher in stakes it may well be that a mixed strategy is also optimal, but it would require a lot of work to keep ranges anywhere near to balanced, also cos people defend way more you gonna be playing larger pots with a weak range oop which is obviously not great. This is why in at a lot of stack depths I just limp my whole range.
So equities become more polarised when top pair repeats because frequently a player with no pair or second pair is drawing dead. Or AA is now a 90% favourite or a 90% dog. This is in contrast to turn cards than bring back door flush draws and straight draws where equities run closer and eve two pair or a set needs to be conscious of protection.
Let me know if that's clear for you or you want me to go into in more depth
So, you're gonna hate me for this. How about a video about SB mixed strategy vs LP and BvB? I guess Ben would be more up to the task, but I don't envy whoever has to do it. I've dabbled a fair bit with constructing said ranges and hated life every single time I've tried.
great vid,i know all those hands samples are from your online session, does the play also apply to the live MTT ? thanks
In general yes. As in against real good opponents I limp 100% at a lot of stack depths. The only difference is that live your gonna get way more recreational opponents where raising ATC bvsb is gonna be printing. So there's just way more room for exploitative strategies in live poker.
Hey sam thanks for this video, couple of questions:
1. what kind of range do you fold in the SB if you use a limping strategy?
2. you say that you have a raise strategy with 18bbs from the sb, so we can raise/call a bunch vs hands that we dominate. How does this raising range look and how does the limping range (I assume we have one look in general? Are we also folding a part of our raising range also (raise/fold)?
Thanks
Against some people I would fold nothing, given that we get a great price and our range is protected. Against others bottom 10-15%
My thinking on this point has developed some since this video. I adapt my strategy depending on my stack size, opponents stack size and the point in the tournament. So if I cover someone in a bounty tournament, being all in with a reasonable range of value hands will be advantageous so I will raise 100% of hands, in a different situation, suppose we are covered on a final table I'll limp 100% of hands because a low variance/cautious approach is going to be beast with the majority of my range.
Creating your raise/fold and raise/call range is something you'll have to work on yourself. I wouldn't be confident sharing mine and suggesting it was perfect.
Would you be comfortable sharing your imperfect ranges? :p
In all seriousness, that's probably a bit too kinky a confession even for RIO. Wouldn't mind if you'll go there, but I think anyone would understand if you won't ;)
On the hand with AQ toy say around 19:25 that taking a strong line in a board that hits you is basically going to make him bluff. Shouldn't be the opposite?
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