$500NL: Action Spots Aplenty
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Simon,
The hand you play at ~23:00 where you have the AhTc on flop of 3hJh2h you xr and see a turn of Qs. Do we mostly want to bet this turn after xr? If so, I would imagine that we bet mostly large and polarize (75%+ psb)? When called we mostly give up with Ah and bluff Kh targeting opponents Ahx? Thoughts?
Thanks Simon
Hey mate!
So on the Qs turn we should mainly slow down with our range because the Q is going to hit the range for EP pretty hard. Mono boards are their own entity a little bit but generally we're ok sizing down on them because we don't need to bet as big to generate fold EQ, therefore I was going b67 or x.
Important point with our hand (and our nut flushes) is that we have to remember to x a lot on this turn because it's so bad for us. This is a common mistake a lot of people make because they default to always betting and then leave their checking range fucked. So I think this is a nice example of using the RNG to ensure we have some good double x/r hands in there and ensure villain can't just bet small super wide and buy a cheap river.
Simon,
The hand at ~40:00 where you have KhJc on flop of 5c2cAs turn Tc and river 7d. Would we ever consider raise here instead of calling? Do opponents stack size here make any difference for us to consider this play? Interested in your thoughts.
Thanks Simon
Yeah, I think the fact it's a recreational with a smaller stack size means I'll probably just default to a very value heavy raising range here. Think if we jam we need him to start folding some top pair and I don't trust a rec to do that in this line. Call still makes us money I think as well.
Simon,
Really nice video. Enjoyed the play and explain as a nice change of pace every so often.
Thanks again
Thank you mate, appreciate it!
8:00 I like the max value line with JJ on T88-6 board to CB oop and then XR turn. Not worried about monsters under the bed 8x.
12:20 T#1 ATo on the button you decide to flat the CO open to keep the BB in the pot who is a rec. I thought we wanted to avoid playing off suit hands multiway? On the river after you call the flop and turn you considered folding the river. I do think you dominate enough value here.
I played a hand yesterday on K63-4hh-Ax where I had AK and considered folding because the guy XR mw- barreled the turn still MW! And then shoved the river heads up with K6. I apologized in advance for the nit roll, but I felt like the guy should only be shoving 33 & 66 on this river. I think vs recs we just have to accept the fact they make polarization mistakes and we just have to laugh and call. That is the hard part when you study so much theory you level yourself against fish making huge punts, which they deem as value shoves. And we think of our hand as a bluff catcher. I saw another whale with AJ on a board of A63-9-Q board where he bet the flop, called a turn raise, and then donk jammed the river. What is he doing with AJ here? I still don't know if he was bluffing or value betting in his mind. Not sure what the other guy folded. But the fish proudly showed AJ. I'm still learning how to fry these fish. I'm trying to conquer my risk averse mindset when they are trying to give me their money.
So on the ATo hand I think pre is fine to flat when there's a rec in there. Generally theory dictates we don't wanna go MW with offsuit hands but EV's are close and keeping the rec in I think is more of a contributing factor than anything else here.
And yeah, I think if I had less timebank on the river, I still would've called because we probably do beat value. I just like to take my time over these big decisions and really just make sure I'm coming to the best decision. Generally speaking just always factor in a lot of "random" into playing recs and that often means you're better off calling than folding vs them.
17:15
I think this is only true in theory. I don't think it makes a lot of sense in practice because the larger opens are just a tighter range of hands, especially against recs that are using multiple sizes. Why do we want to 3bet a hand like 99 or AQ when they open 3.5x only with like top 5-8% of hands? This is one mistake I was making a lot in live cash games. Thinking I had to 3bet more often, but I'm just against a nutted range, so I could just set mine or realize my equity with with some suited broadways and keep the SPR higher. I think this play 3B/F against large sizes is a great way to lose a lot of money preflop against recs.
In this screen shot below if we look at wizard 8 max with cev as the rake, if we face a 5bb open the btn is supposed to fold 99-77, AQo, etc at a high frequency. With the 10% live rake, the btn is mixing folds with JJ! Absolutely ridiculous against recs. Who might be opening a hand like 99 because they don't want to see a flop, so they open larger. A hand like 8s7s is only -0.01 EV, which against recs who are not capable of folding over pairs postflop, I think this hand quickly becomes +EV as a flat. I think we can just play super face up with QQ+ AK as our 3bet range and flat everything else and do just fine. I would just play the mixes as pure and play postflop.
Yeah so was generally making the point from a theory POV. But vs recs I'd still 3bet super wide and linear because the mistakes they will make later are going to be so much bigger when the pot size is larger. Plus when recs open bigger it's not just the top x% of hands, it's often a mish-mash of stuff.
22:30 vs a rec with a 53 vpip limping a lot of hands what hands are you isolating here? You fold Q9o here.
Compared to this hand where you ISO 2.5x with T9o vs a 46 vpip.
Do you not have a default ISO range?
32:00 to go with my ISO questions above. Here you ISO light from the CO and the SB elected to 3bet, which should be pretty face up as a tight linear range. As the SB are you flatting more often with suited broadways and PP to keep the recreational in or are you still attacking the reg who is isolating too wide from the CO?
Honestly this one was just too many decisions to make at once I think. Had two important hands on the other two tables so focussed on them more and folded the Q9o more on autopilot than anything else. Would normally just iso this.
And on the second question, I'd flat more to keep the fish in. They're where a lot of the EV comes from here rather than going after the reg imo.
29:30 four ways on this river after it checks down, you decide to bluff the river. Typically I try and never bluff 4 ways without some type of blocker. Not having a blocker makes me think I block the folding range unblock the calling range. Do you find these spots to be +EV with low SDV? I'm fine doing it 3 ways, it's just 4 ways I tend to have bad results. Too many snakes in the grass as they say. I typically want to bluff Q high or worse SDV, but multiway I almost never bluff the river. What type of blocker or suits would we need to bluff this spot?
I put this spot in wizard for Heads up CO vs BB and Q high or worse SDV is pure bluffing. Checking down some AX hands. I don't know how to replicate this 4 ways or if we should still apply this same heuristic to multiway? Am I over thinking MW and I just still need to go for it and close my eyes?
I check this spot with heads up ranges as well. Trying to replicate being against a wider range of hands with 3 enemy units. J-hi or worse is still bluffing. OOP is not bluffing Q-hi or J-hi though. Only 9 high or worse. IP gets the green light while OOP gets a yellow light on bluffing.
Not to worried about blockers here 4 ways with range still very wide. Just a decent runout for my range where I can credibly rep a lot of hands (especially as I'll probably range x flop) and no one has shown an interest in the pot, so just going with it!
35:30 I don't understand this river call. You 3B preflop B66 flop, B50 turn, then called the river thinking opponent might have some small pair. You don't beat value. Range seems protected with the larger flop size and turn barrel. Do we really have to call Ace high here? I think I'm only calling QX+.
Wizard screen shot low frequency call sub 5%. But not -EV. I think the problem is that we go so big on the flop b66, that the pairs you are targeting to bluff you on the river, mostly just fold the flop. A few hands before this you range bet AKX board with AT LJ vs BB. And you mentioned you don't see your strategy changing as you are trying to simplify everything. Why b66 TT8 and B25 the AKX? Or is it just a simplification against BB on AKX that you are using the B25? You don't want to use B25 in both spots SRP IP PFR & 3BP IP PFR?
Yeah I mean the snap timing is the main factor here for me. Would expect most Tx to consider raising flop or turn. He reps very thin for value and is a rec so expecting enough random rubbish to be in there and then we get an amazing price. I'd expect many to fold out low pairs on the turn but that might not be the case with some recs. So it's kinda like I mentioned above, I'm giving the rec the benefit of the doubt for the random factor here and just shrugging and flicking it in. Definitely by no means a fishpump though.
Enjoyed the video Simon.
38:35 table 1 64 are you range betting there? Vs sb range I would tend to go more polar on that flop.
Thanks!
Yeah, just vs a recreational who is short, I'm expecting them to have enough rubbish in there where a range bet does really well. Would expect them to jam a lot pre due to stacks, so just think it's quite an air heavy range and therefore a small bet will get it done!
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