Party $215 Tourney Replay (1 of 2)
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Greg, it would be a bit tricky if he check raised turn, but I have the 5th nuts, so I think if i'm not betting 2pair+ here i'm very unbalanced. Also he could choose to check raise something like j8/78 or even some worse hands for value if he isn't the greatest. I think this goes into how much of a plan to have, and how prepared you are to put yourself in tricky spots and trust yourself to make the right decisions. I mean here we are much more likely for him to just check call or check fold so the small % of the time he check raises it is a bit sigh, but checking back this turn in the long run I think is far worse.
ActionMic, I commented on how my range widened due to the fact the limper was a whale. I'm not saying that my play is standard, but taking into account stack size and limper I think 99 is good enough to go with. Which comment do you think is result oriented?
I have question about one spot.
ATo hand in like 36:30 what is ur play if open raiser folds or if open raiser will find a call in these spot (ofc very rarely situation)
I think I would prob fold if the open raiser flatted with that stack size as it would look pretty strong.
Although if he folded I think its fairly interesting. The fact we haven't 3b a 36x stack caps our range at AQo and maybe 99 ignoring traps (although this obv varies dramatically from villain to villain) so both flatting and back raising in general would both look fairly weak to a thinking player. So if we 4b I doubt he's going to suddenly assume we want to get 100x in with those decent hands on the off chance he will spew. This makes me lean towards sigh folding or flatting someone we doubt will go barreling off. Although against the right person I think the hero line to take would be to 4b with the intention of jamming over a 5b =).
@12:00 w/TT - What kind of range are you flatting here? I feel like your hand is pretty face up here, you're propably calling here like 99-JJ (sometimes AKs?) and you gonna end up with obvious range, out of position, with SPR~3, meaning a lot of trouble postflop I fear
(especially here, as 71% of time overcard falls on the flop). It's really tough to make a profitable call here against a competent opponent.Well, this guy played postflop pretty bad, so kind of a counterargument to what I've just said :)
@25:00 w/AK - What do you think about checking back flop? With SPR=2 we got enough room to stack him on turn+river and given he's a fish, he's likely to try bluffing you or calling much lighter, as he won't put you on king after u xb flop.
@35:05 w/99 - You say if you were in BTN's shoes here, you would just shove your 20bb's with hands like AT. Do you think it's more profitable than making small isolation (like 2.3-2.5x) and playing postflop against fish? Of course, we're pretty shallow, but we're crushing his range (he's unlikely to be folding to small iso, so we play against 60% range), and with SPR=2.5 we got some room to outplay him.I think the only hands I would shove there for 20bb's would be small pairs, like 22-77.
33 - shocked to see his hand, usually when they take this line its tptk+ imo so even though it looks super strong I like raising. Players who do this usually dont think after potting it and stack off, but if they have a lower overpair turn can slow them down...
KhJh - I think its a bit different than a hand before, this time the stack are much shallower so he might be also planning to c/s besides c/f or c/c. We would like to barrel that turn but if he c/shoves it suxx, so what about betting pretty small on the turn giving him bad price on his c/shove followed by a bigger bet on the river if he calls? Perhaps it might even yield some more value out of top of his c/f range if we bet say 375-425? Also if we want to count how much to bet so we have a potsize left on next street formula is: (effective stacks-potsize)/3 = amount to bet so we have a potsize left on next street.
TT - what about donking the river? Maybe we can sell some counterfitted small pairs or missed T8s,QT,KT missed str8draws... If he has A high he might herocall us, but if we check he will usually check A high behind imo...
Hi guys,
Apologies for the slow reply Ozzy, thought I had replied to your comment before now =S.
W/TT I think the problem here is that the villain is either 3b inducing or folding and he will know we know this vs the openers short stack so 4b calling is probably a bad idea for 45x here. I also don't think we are that face up as I'd like to flat AA/KK here too to keep both villains ranges the widest.
w/AK I think the reason a bet is better is that a check back will look like JJ/QQ/AT, which are probably unbluffable in a cold 4b pot.. whereas c-betting keeps out range widest. If he is a lagfish though a check back becomes better imo.
ye at 35 I think you're right, its probably more proftable to iso some hands that flop well rather than an open jam.
atwu, agree with what you said about 33, does this mean you prefer a jam on the flop? Thanks for the quick potsize formula, really handy! And ye I think you're right, a smaller bet on the turn is better. I think around 500 would be better for the reasons you said.
With the TT however, I think I would prefer leading the river if we had a wider range. I don't think we can have the range you mentioned cold flatting the 3b oop. Maybe relates to what Ozzy said above about our range being somewhat faceup, maybe making my preflop call questionable.
Yeah jam or raise even with these stacksizes becausee I think he is pretty much not thinking at all... Wouldnt have worked vs his surprising holding though :)
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