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Great video Jason, and great avatar!
Nice life lessons ;)
Thanks :)
welcome to the low stakes.....fucking mad house out there!
how was your SCOOP overall?
quick question on the D. Quang call 55 vs AQo...... I assume his call was because he thought you would never be jamming anything better and always 4 bet inducing the top of your range/ 4 bet bluffing. Are you always just jamming your whole get in range there vs 30bb 3bet?
never folding?........Boss!
Every hand I do not fold I will either be calling or jamming here.
Sorry for going off topic, but I have tried the video request thread without any success. But could you do a video on ante up tournaments (or any MTT coaches).
Most players adjust really badly to the format. So it would be profitable for the members to learn how to adjust format. Plus it is a really fun version of the game.
Even if none of the coaches feel like they are experts on the format (I suspect not many people are) It is not a reason not to do a video, because there is still a lot of value in the discussion in the comments
Sure. I may not be able to until after the WSOP due to not having online poker but when I'm back I will make one.
20:42, nh
25:13, My question is what is the bottom of your 3b/c range here? Would you consider flatting versus a tight opener? If we are UTG+2 would you ever consider folding this spot? Whenever I get this spot I am never too excited, I know I'm gonna be flipping quite often and can also be easily be dominated versus villains 4b range, like he is not looking down at 77 or 88 and auto 4b jamming. For all these reasons I have recently started flatting 99 in this spot but that could be bad, it flops horrible etc. Just a couple of words on this spot in general from you would be appreciated.
29:01, lol at 93o hand
Thanks for vid.
He may not be auto jamming 77 (or he may be) but regardless 99's equity from the information I was given at the current time was too significant to pass by. Flatting is tough for reasons you stated, it doesn't necessarily flop "terribly", but v. this stack size/ opening range it's going to do a better job realizing all in pre.
YES!
20:00, QJo u go for the small cbet to shove over a raise and say its an explo play. How would you approach that spot against a good player?
Great vid
On a board this texture my default would be larger sizing. We want to deny equity here and by betting small I'm giving a ton of draws direct odds to call.
I like checking back alot on that board too, and that hand is a sweet one to do with cause most good villains are gonna rep when u actually hit and u can peel 100% of turns havind the bd flush draw. Downside is when it goes brick,brick and villains bets 2, u cant really raise river... Any comments? Thanks anyway
Hello Jason,
Do u mind tell me where u bought the leatherjacket u wear on the frontpage?
It's fine, if u want dont to :P
John Varvatos
Thank you! :D
@ 20:00 with the qjo hand. Do you ever just jam the turn?
no. playing your range this way gets really messy. you're going to get more out of your range playing 3 streets.
hey jason, great vid! your explanations for your spots make a whole lot of sense to me. keep up the good work! what other coaches or videos have you seen in particular on RIO that you have enjoyed/learnt a lot from?
Too many to list my friend! I would give everyone a shot and see who's teaching style fits you the best.
Loved the video Jason really good content. Really glad to see some MTT content as I'm gearing up for my first wsop playing some bracelet events, upgraded to elite for just these kind of videos.
19:15 you r/f k9s to a weak/tight players very small 3bet when you are 50 BBs deep the hand after he doubled. I usually find a call in this spot here for a few reasons. 1) *and most important* we are getting over 3:1 against a bad player in position deep enough that we can really utilize our positional advantage 2) the hand you had just saw him play with a set of 9s is pretty important, because if he is going to play that straight forward with his monsters then we can abuse him like crazy and his bluffs (if he has them) may be just as transparent 3) he is a weak/tight player who literally 1 hand before just doubled from 25 to 50 BBs deep in what is possibly (i supposed you could quickly look him up to find out) a huge tournament for him (maybe life changing in his eyes) he could be very reluctant to stack off at all marginally (or what he considers marginally) potentially giving us a little (or a lot) more fold equity than we deserve on our bluffs and semi bluffs. What do you think/ what would your counter argument be? are you continuing with hands like 76s or 89s that are in your opening range?
33:20 the big AQ flip that you lost to 55. I was a little surprised to see you just 4bet jamming for 30 BBs effective. I assume, please correct me if I'm wrong, that you are splitting your range in this spot so that you do have a small 4 betting range which includes bluffs and AA-QQ and possibly AK (i actually think it's a pretty interesting question as to which subsection of your range to put AK into but that's even more of a tangent than I am already on) I typically just play my whole get it in range one way, especially since i think you said villain was a reg, on shorter stacks I just include AA and KK in my 4 bet shove range and once I get to the high 20 to low 30 BB mark I just 4bet small/call even the weakest get it in hand I have (prob standardly 99 and AQ but could be slightly wider with a dynamic in place). What is your thoughts on splitting ranges on these stacks vs not doing that?
Thanks again for the great video
Good questions. K9s v villains 3b range is a hand that is absolutely killed. 50bb's isn't deep at all and even if he's really straightforward it's going to be hard for me to realize my equity with this hand v. him post flop. If I flop a gutter of any sort peeling to get there will often times get me stacked by AK. I would have def. went to the flop with 67s or 89s v that sizing as well as some pocket pairs.
As for the AQ off 30bb I do not have a 4b small range off of 30. I will be calling a lot hands here and will never be jamming AA v. what I think to be a pretty bluff heavy range. I would shove 77-QQ 100% and KK around 50% of the time as well as AK and AQ.
Glad you enjoyed the vid!
I actually think the K9s fold is marginal at best. K9s has 30.5% against even the tightest of 3b ranges here (TT+/AK+), and we are given extremely good pot odds to call 50bb deep, i think it's good and connected enough with position to see a flop. It's not like we have to stack off post flop everytime we flop equity for the call to be good and he should play straightforward, especially after just doubling up.
Was this a poker video or what to wear in Vegas video? No offense you seem like a really Nice guy but im just a bit confused Right now..
I don't think I gave any fashion advice in there, not sure if I'm qualified. The only time I give any advice that isn't theory related is from things that I find invaluable to being a poker professional that I wish someone would have given me somewhere along the way in my poker career.
It was a poker video and fwiw I probably wouldn't wear what your planning on wearing.
Upgraded to elite just for some Jason Koon wisdom and it was well worth it. Great to hear your thoughts as I'm currently on an ugly, long downer. Thanks!
Great vid! Gonna be playing some live poker for the first time at the series. Would you suggest sunglasses? Do you feel that sunglasses make people harder to read? Have you ever worn sunglasses at the table? If so, do you feel like you miss anything with them on? Thanks.
Do what makes you feel comfortable. I have wore them before, but def. don't feel like I gain any edge when I do.
nice to see you back, love your videos. But for now i am disagreeing with your view on the 55 hand, open to be convinced otherwise though but would like to hear some more reasonings for your view on the ranges and his play. Because from a cev point of view, i have a hard time seeing quang making a mistake there against most people, esp regs actually imo, by 3bet/calling 55. He should have a bunch of foldequity, i mean you say you would even fold 66 there, arent you also opening stuff like A8 T9s 98s 87s K9s etc etc there?
And then once he does get jammed on, yes against the range you name there he would not quite get the equity, because against 77-QQ +50%KK and AK AQ he has 35.655% equity and he needs 41.94% on a call. But are you really never bluffjamming there? Even if you dont do that, i still would give most regs a bluffjamming range, some will jam any pair there and some stuff like KQ etc. If we only add all the pairs, we have 43% equity, which is still thin though, which is also why i would probably prefer to jam in quang's spot against alot of people if i think their opening range is wide enough, 3bet/calll is higher variance and since we are deep already wouldnt like it that much but dont find it that horrible either.
But so to me it seems cev wise calling off once you do jam it may be thin, but add the foldequity on the 3bet to it and overall the move def at least turns a decent cev profit and since its thin i like then calling off better after 3betting to protect against getting exploited because there are def a bunch of regs out there who would shove wider there than you. However $ev considerations are to be made here too obv.
What range would you like to have for 3bet/calling in quang's spot? And so 55 you just fold there?
Also please dont stop talking about things like vegas or lifestyle advice etc I think this is very valuable as well for pokerplayers
Hey there. Just because I'm opening a hand like 910s doesn't make 3b calling the proper response. I'm certainly not jamming it or a hand like KQ here, I would just call. If your argument is that I'm really out of line preflop and he has lots of FE the play would have to be just shoving for 30 IMO. Poker is a game of incomplete info. and I know that he had to make some assumptions on the fly. I could definitely see him deciding that I'm a high stakes player deep in a small buy in so I'm going to try to run the table and my ranges are going to be insanely wide in every spot. If that were the case 55 would have to play better as a jam with 2 people behind than a 3bet call. I've done a ton of heads up cap nl work and even in these scenarios we aren't trying to induce with 55, we are trying to deny max equity and see 5 cards when called. If I was quang I would have probably shoved the hand. My 3b rang would have been something like 88+AJs+A5sK10o. Thats obviously very rough sketch but I hope this paints a better picture for you. Thank you for the kind words, I'll continue you to offer life advice. It's one of my passions.
I'm a little interested to see that you are still happy with the K9s fold at the 19:15 mark. I am not disagreeing that we are behind or even crushed by his range but if we work on the assumption that his entire range is AdKo (obviously it's never just AdKo but just for arguments sake) which is the 3rd worst hand he could possibly have against our actual hand (and we block some combo's of KK) we are still getting the correct price at 2.964 to 1. Now I can see that if you think his range is entirely AA, KK, and AK why K9s would not have the right price and would have reverse implied odds on making the call. Literally just by adding QQ you make it close enough that on hot and cold equities you are not getting the right price by 1.8%. If you are 50 BBs deep in a high leverage tournament situation against a player you tagged as weak where you are in position I feel as if you should be able to fairly easily make up the 1.8% range disadvantage with superior post flop decisions. So the only argument I could really get my head around at this time is that you think that by using such a small sizing his range is exclusively AA,KK and AK and has QQ in it almost never and if that is the case I think you should have mention in your analysis that you think villain only has 2.11% of hands with their exact sizing.
A lot of tournament decision I make are based off of years of trial and error. I don't think we get to realize 100% of our raw equity here. Often times we are going to be faced with huge protective bets post flop and we are going to have to play the guessing game on a J94hh board or a K65r. Combine that with the fact that the guy is over-folding every spot, this is a battle I'm willing to let him win. Maintaining your stack deep in MTT is so important. I don't want to be fighting for marginal scraps of EV in a tourney where people are often times going to gift me a stack. I appreciate your line of thought and can tell you are the kind of player that fights for your EV, this will end up making you a lot of money down the line. The one thing I should say is to ask yourself "Is the tourney tough enough for me to take really marginal spots?"
Hey Jason. Please don't take another long break from making videos. Even one in 3 weeks would be O.K, just give us something. We thought we lost you for good.
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Hey, I was wondering how well you control tilt and emotion while playing in general. In the 55 hand I would have frothing at the mouth, do you ever just lose it or is it something you don't have much problem with?
Earl in my career I was pretty bad at handling things. This showed me there was a major hole in the was I was thinking/approaching the game. I reinforce all of my actions by observing people I look up to. I remember watching Phil G. vids and admired the way he carried himself. I learned how to identify tension in my body and worked on removing it at early levels of frustration/anxiety/tilt. Focus on resetting every 30 mins or so by taking deep breaths. Remember that the best players aren't snapping and you shouldn't either. Hope this helps!
Thanks a lot for the video...I have some kinda boring Pre-Flop questions but ithis is the stuff I always second guess myself on.
At 29:30 you open real small in the SB vs BB about 45ish BBs with 96o. Wondering what type of range you work without o there, how much lighter than 96 are you opening, and do you have a limp range there too? As far as sizing, is this your standard size vs most player types? Any insight in to why this is good sizing?
At 35:30, you folded K6o on the button with 14ish BBs. Curious what the worst hands you open there are and if you have a min-raise range or is it all shoves? Would different players in the blinds cause you to open K6o there in some spots?
At 39:30 I am curious what goes in to your decision to limp 68o Blind vs Blind. I think you were 16 or so BBs effective
My sb steal range and sizing is based entirely on stack size and opponents defending frequencies. I generally approach the sb v bb situations with some sort of limping and raising ranges. The only situation where I'm only raising would be when villain is just an empty seat. 2nd question is also blind dependent. As a default I feel the general field of players have been shifting to an over aggressive blind strategy v. the button due to people being way too lose on the button. During this time my default button opening range has been pretty strong. K6o would be fine as a steal, I just wanted to preserve my stack and wasn't crazy about the open v. those 2 opponents. The 68o limp is questionable. It's a hand that is going to realize its equity well, limping or raising. I think I would have preferred opening the hand since I can semi bluff with it so often and rather open limp a hand like K4o that has showdown value and doesn't play well in inflated pots.
Would be great to see a real hud ;) Even a ugly one :p
Nice vidz!
The comment : «I'm gonna try again!» when you openned the QJo just after folding de K9s to a 3bet got me laughing quite a lot...lol
Loved the video, Jason!
Even though it's only one table you manage to add alot of great content to the video and you are also very fun to listen to!
Invaluable philosophy and extremely refreshing wisdom, thank you Jason Koon!
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