Low Stakes 6-Max PLO Hand Review
Posted by Sam Lang
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Nice video Sam!
14:00 AK76ss
I can see why 4-betting this hand may be a better option than calling, though it's very thin. But with him 3-betting as much as you say, do you think it's really profitable to open this hand here? It's a reasonably strong hand in terms of preflop equity, but it just doesn't flop that well very often.
Hey dude. Thankyou for pointing that out.
I gotta say I totally agree, and when analyzing this hand missed one of the biggest things, the preflop decision making. Most definitely folding should be considered and may be the best option. Having said this, we are a still a small ~(52-48) equity favorite over his 3bing range, so I think opening this hand with plans of 4bing is not a terrible plan, and when he calls the 4bet and folds away equity postflop to a cbet, this becomes very good for us and improves the profitabilty of the hand. I am not sure if it is enough to overcome for the times that another player behind in the button/blinds calls or 4bets, in which case we should muck and lose the 4big blinds that we opened the pot for. It is close for sure, and in this specific spot I would lean towards just mucking preflop, mainly due to the position of twin caracas; we do not particularly want to play a high variance style with him and give him the chance to double up as he has position on us and that will constrict us in future situations. I do think it is a lot closer then it seems, there being many things to be considering, and will have a think about this some more and see if I can come up with an answer that I'm more happy with.
Thx for your answer!
If you want to play this hand in this spot, the best option may very well be to limp-call. But that's a play I personally never really use, and I don't think I've seen you do it either.
What's a bit awkward with this hand is that whenever you flop really good, it's hard for him to have something good to put it in with. And whenever he flops good it's hard for you to dominate him. You can flop pair+fd against wrap and that basically your best situation discounting some weird fringe flop situations. And if it goes multiway... it's fine I guess, but all you really have then is the flush draw. So while I agree that it's a strong hand against his range, it's a bit hard to see where any significant value comes from.
31:00 AA92ss
I think you essentially have two options preflop here, either 3-bet and hope to reduce the field or just flat and then flat again. Weak/medium aces do okay in multiway pots, but they lose much of their (preflop) edge when it's 3 or more players to the flop, so bloating the pot too much when you pretty much know it's going to go multiway is inviting variance without pushing an equity edge. This is pretty much what happened in this hand, so I think you're right to question how this hand played out.
This hand flops set or flush draw ~20% of the time and that's where most of its value comes from, so I'd often play it preflop in a way that invites as many dominated hands as possible.
I completely agree with you on this. I also think that you are right on the ak67 hand and if I was playing it again I'd definitely lean towards a fold preflop. Thanks for the input, it is much appreciated!
AA with a suit is an amazing hand to get 30% of your stack in 4way against loose players. Assigning the other players a 35%-8% range you have 31% equity. And your flop visibility is going to be really good. If you flop a set, trips, or a flush draw you're going with it...
That would be a pretty bad strategy to push a lot of money in preflop and only stack off with such a narrow range. You flop the range you mentioned about 20% of the time.
Sam,
Enjoying your videos...2 things.
1) The A-A-9-2 hand. I don't think it matters much equity wise whether you play it as you did, or if you flat pre. I think the big difference is going to be the variance. As played we are going to triple up ish or lose, where as flatting pre, is playing stack control...
What is preferred? I think depends on opponents, the tougher the opponents more I like the jam, against lesser opponents who regularly stack off with top 2, any set, any pair+flush draw...When we get an Ace flop or flush draw we can get our stack in being 70%+...
Against Twin Caracas you mentioned his 25% 3 bet percentage, and that you felt it was even higher vs you personally.
What do you think a solid players 3 bet % and other #'s should be, VPIP, CBET etc...(in a vacuum)
Also it looked like your cbet #'s were 23%. So just jumped out at me during the video that you mentioned how wide/loose Twin Caracas was/is, when your #'s look similar, but perhaps you were referencing how he comes after you?
Following up on that, what about against opponents who make our life tough in that manner, moving seats, or taking seats where we are in position against them, or at least a position or 2 to their right, rather than on their immediate right.
Hey man! could I make a suggestion to have the times of the hand added in the question? Makes it a lot easier for me instead of me having to go through a video to find a hand that I have most likely forgotten about. Cheers!
Certainly my HUD stats are not to be taken seriously. Most of the hands are from deep ante tables where in the past I have played a maniacal hyper aggressive style, and do not advocate that style of play anymore in my game.
Twin was certainly going after me vastly more than other players, and I think in that spot he is 3betting me a very high%.
'What do you think a solid players 3 bet % and other #'s should be, VPIP, CBET etc...(in a vacuum)'
I find this question somewhat paradoxical in nature. In a vacuum, we have no information on our own stats or the stats of our opponent, so we will have no numbers to form the VPIP, 3bet%, cbet% etc. In poker, only the first hand we sit down at a table with unknown opponents is a vacuum, and in this spot I tend to play cautious and feel out the table/players and go from there. We should be looking at what the other players are doing at the tables, and figure out the best adjustment and figure out what VPIP%, what 3bet% etc is going to be most profitable. If every player is playing incredibly tight, we can play loose. If they're all playing very loose, we need to tighten up and if somewhere in the middle then we need to find a balance. Thinking of poker in terms of a 'system' of playing the same ranges in each situation is really not part of my game or the way I think about poker, so I am struggling to really give you a quantifiable answer to this question.
Hope that helps and sorry for the delayed response!
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