4 Tables $.5/$1 6-Max Zoom PLO (part 2)
Posted by Sam Lang
Video Player is loading.
This is a modal window.
The media could not be loaded, either because the server or network failed or because the format is not supported.
Resume Video
Start from Beginning
Watch Video
10
Loading 11 Comments...
Do you think there is a value in betting? I can hardly imagine a worse hand that would call here. Most of the time he would show smth like KJT5/KQ87. Otherwise he would fold, so i see no merit in betting here.
This is a very good point, and being that zoom is not my main game or something I play a lot of it is something I havn't put a great deal of thought in, although do touch upon it in the third part of this series, in particular I think I defended some far too speculative hands OOP. We obviously want to maximize our hourly as opposed to our winrate, and this question is going to be very dependent on the speed of the other players and our current winrate. I think though that the ~5-10 seconds we give up to see if it folds to us on the button is going to be worth it if the blinds are relatively tight, if they are loose and 3bing we can definitely be folding our mediocre hands more on the button. We are a lot of the time vs tight blinds going to be picking up 1.5bb outright, or playing a SRP IP which will also be profitable. If we are on average giving up 60 seconds per 1.5bb we pick up from the blinds on each table in the time that we wait for it to fold to us on the button, whilst 4 tabling that equates to 6bb total per minute of other gameplay we could be playing other hands, which is 360bb per hour. Obviously it will have a much more subtle effect on our winrate as we don't get dealt the button every hand, but just because we are only winning a small ammount each time we pick up the blinds, this will add up and I think the increase on winrate will overcome any reduced number of hands we could be playing. My assumptions may be way off though, and it is certainly possible that playing a very tight style of play, getting more hands in and exploiting the weaker players playing a wide range may be a more profitable option, however I think this is the style a lot of regulars are going to be taking, and I think as a whole people will use the quick fold button far too much in zoom, so to exploit that I think having a wide stealing range is going to be very profitable.
I do agree that early on A897dd should be a fold pre. You are up against likely a very strong range and has the worst relative position in a 4 way hand not closing the action.
At the end of the video where you had AAQJ and river a set. There are a few things that I don't completely agree on.
1. You mentioned c/c on turn. We I see some merit to it as you don't get blown off your hand and you get to donk pot river club. So lets assume he bluffs with same Kxcc. And you check call and you bluff shove river club. In these mid stakes games, I don't think anyone will be folding like the 4th nut flush here so you'd be only getting folds from two pairs and straights (maybe)
2. You mentioned that if you do c/c, you can check/decide on blanks. I'm curious as to hear your thought process on what to consider when check deciding on various blanks.
3. I feel like the river is a clear value bet to me. We very likely have the best hand and he will have some hands that could potentially call the river with. Most notably 2 pair combos. Once he shoves, your reasoning for folding is because he is a nit. I would agree that he has it way more than he doesn't but I don't agree with the fact that he is going to just bluff the river if you check to him. I think he would've done it on the turn if he wanted to and I feel like folding for reason of him being a nit and then want to check/induce bluff from the same nit is counter intuitive. Although we are not getting paid off every time and will get shoved on by KT, I feel like the most +ev line to take here would be to bet.
The AAQJ hand at the end of the video I think check / calling the river is clearly best. I'll go through all the possible hands we are hoping to get paid from and explain why;
J8 - Would often raise the flop and is probably not paying us off on this board runout
QJ - would often bet the turn and is unlikely to pay us off on river ace
QQ - would likely bet the turn
JJ - would either raise flop or bet turn
88 - would either raise flop or bet turn
AQ - We block this heaps and is somewhat unlikely given it is runner runner
AJ - We block this heaps as well.
If people can see other worse hands that may call a river bet and would call flop / check behind turn I'd like to hear what they are.
Hi Sam.
I am new to this site and new to hud's as well. The two numbers before the 3bet percentage what are they? I am strongly considering to invest in PT4 but it will not be until I get my hands on another computer as I have been told that hud does not function on a Mac. There are probably a bunch of you who know what the two first numbers in the hud stands for so feel free to answer as I am sure Sam is a busy guy.
Thanks. :-)
Vpip(the % of hands eh plays) and pfr (the % of hands he raises)
Pt4 hud works perfectly fine on Mac btw. ;-)
Unfortunately not for the zoom tables. Something about Apples policies.
Be the first to add a comment
You must upgrade your account to leave a comment.