No. I'm too deep effective with BU/SB/BB and I don't have good blocker or great equity vs calling ranges. They rarely call the shove with unpaired hands, so i'll mostly be up against bigger pairs when called.
Regarding the AJs hand that you called vs a 7bb 3bet, I've been thinking about whether or not folding would be better
Do you assume villain has a balanced range? Or is he just trying to play this specific hand this way to avoid being called OOP? If he just has a tightish range due to the fact you are the CL, what about just exploiting this and folding AJs
Once we call, the pot will be bloated to 30bb, which in our spot I feel like as CL we prefer to grind down the middle stacks in smaller pots than playing these rly big pots
What would you do with other combos such as TT,JJ,AQo,KQs?
If you think you're opponent isn't bluffing enough preflop or won't co-operate enough postflop you can fold comfortably here. I gave my opponent enough credit to have some bluffs. I think KQs i'd call. TT/JJ i'd mix call and shove and AQo i'd mix call/fold and 4bet non AI.
If I think they're QQ+ AKs. I'll fold them all, if I am less clear about their range, but don't think they'll have as many bluffs as the computer, I'll make a less extreme adjustment. I won't 4bet shove or 4bet fold very much vs guys who aren't bluffing enough, but will still play flats
Sam,
Really good video. Really enjoy hearing you and pads talk through these hands. Curious what you think about the 7x 3-bet size to 14bb from sb (the AJs vs AKs)? Do you think this is a spot that villain is using this sizing because they think you will defend incorrectly against this larger sizing (over or under defend) or do you think they are using multiple sizing's, and this is just a low frequency play? Not sure what other hands would want to be in this bucket and balancing seems tough, as you pointed out. Interested in your thoughts on this sizing and how, if at all, it could fit into overall strategy and what that might look like.
I think it's likely a size the solver uses that has the same types of hands as a more traditional 3b size, but is weighted a little more around AKs/AKo and has less KK+
Sam,
So, would villain use multiple 3-bet sizes (mostly traditional size, low frequency large size) and bucket hands accordingly? Or just 3-bet at lower frequency and use the larger size? Seems like using 2+ sizes would be slightly higher ev at the cost of being harder to implement (if not implemented accurately could yield lower ev)? Also, do you see this strategy used very often in the MTT's you play?
I suspect the output would use two sizings and would gain EV, but not much. It's a lot harder to execute especially at final tables, which can be stressful. I'd recommend only using one size here. It's also possible this exact situation CL vs CL the threshold for getting AI is so tight that the SB just picks a really big polar size with range.
I do occasionally see these plays in game, but they're rare, but it's also rare to have this many BBs at a FT.
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I could listen to this for hours. What a great duo!
Wow really good stuff, thanks Sam and pads!
great content! hope more videos with pads are coming!
can we expect a second part to finish off this ft?
A second (and maybe third?) part is coming. Thanks for watching
Hello Patrick and Sam , welcome back Sam .
26:45 : pocket 33 : Would you consider a push in this spot ?
Thanks for the video.
No. I'm too deep effective with BU/SB/BB and I don't have good blocker or great equity vs calling ranges. They rarely call the shove with unpaired hands, so i'll mostly be up against bigger pairs when called.
Hi Sam, thanks for the great video!
Regarding the AJs hand that you called vs a 7bb 3bet, I've been thinking about whether or not folding would be better
Do you assume villain has a balanced range? Or is he just trying to play this specific hand this way to avoid being called OOP? If he just has a tightish range due to the fact you are the CL, what about just exploiting this and folding AJs
Once we call, the pot will be bloated to 30bb, which in our spot I feel like as CL we prefer to grind down the middle stacks in smaller pots than playing these rly big pots
What would you do with other combos such as TT,JJ,AQo,KQs?
Thanks!
If you think you're opponent isn't bluffing enough preflop or won't co-operate enough postflop you can fold comfortably here. I gave my opponent enough credit to have some bluffs. I think KQs i'd call. TT/JJ i'd mix call and shove and AQo i'd mix call/fold and 4bet non AI.
Thanks Sam!
If you think your opp is not bluffing enough, does this change your plan with TT-JJ, KQs, and AQo?
If I think they're QQ+ AKs. I'll fold them all, if I am less clear about their range, but don't think they'll have as many bluffs as the computer, I'll make a less extreme adjustment. I won't 4bet shove or 4bet fold very much vs guys who aren't bluffing enough, but will still play flats
43:16 Sam mentions AI ICM sims, what specifically are you referring to here?
I wasn't referring to anything specific, but PIO allows you to run ICM sims
Sam,
Really good video. Really enjoy hearing you and pads talk through these hands. Curious what you think about the 7x 3-bet size to 14bb from sb (the AJs vs AKs)? Do you think this is a spot that villain is using this sizing because they think you will defend incorrectly against this larger sizing (over or under defend) or do you think they are using multiple sizing's, and this is just a low frequency play? Not sure what other hands would want to be in this bucket and balancing seems tough, as you pointed out. Interested in your thoughts on this sizing and how, if at all, it could fit into overall strategy and what that might look like.
Thanks Sam and Pads.
I think it's likely a size the solver uses that has the same types of hands as a more traditional 3b size, but is weighted a little more around AKs/AKo and has less KK+
Sam,
So, would villain use multiple 3-bet sizes (mostly traditional size, low frequency large size) and bucket hands accordingly? Or just 3-bet at lower frequency and use the larger size? Seems like using 2+ sizes would be slightly higher ev at the cost of being harder to implement (if not implemented accurately could yield lower ev)? Also, do you see this strategy used very often in the MTT's you play?
Thanks Sam.
I suspect the output would use two sizings and would gain EV, but not much. It's a lot harder to execute especially at final tables, which can be stressful. I'd recommend only using one size here. It's also possible this exact situation CL vs CL the threshold for getting AI is so tight that the SB just picks a really big polar size with range.
I do occasionally see these plays in game, but they're rare, but it's also rare to have this many BBs at a FT.
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