Playing 3B Pots OOP: Small Blind Play
Posted by Ryan Henry
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On the AA hand, why not just divide your range into pot sized shoves and checks? You'll maximize value with AJ, KK, QQ, you can trap AA, JJ, 88, and 55. You can jam KhQh, 9h10h and use these combos to fold out his better hearts and junk. You can add AhXh to your checking range to keep in any flush draws he opens with that you might have dominated and to keep some flushes in your range when it goes check check or check jam.
Then you can check jam at some frequency some AA, 88, 55, Ahxh, check fold some Ax offsuit, etc.
I understand we bet range on the flop so we arrive at the turn with our entire SB 3betting range, but reverting to a 40% pot bet seems a bit awkward because it lets the pressure off of our opponent, which is part of the point of employing the SB 3bet over a LP open in these tournies. Since the turn favors his range, it seems counter-intuitive to give him a free card or cheap card when he's usually got his fair share of equity when he's behind.
I will just start by saying that every single spot I upload on RIO I have run a sim on to verify that my play is theoretically correct.
With this in mind I have given PIO the option of shoving and a smaller bet size on the turn and it NEVER uses the shove option, only the 40% pot sizing in this exact situation.
From a theory standpoint AA is close to a pure check on the turn, 88 is a pure check, we shouldn't have 55 here and when villain does decide to bet 88 and AA is a pure shove.
40% pot sizing allows us to include very low equity bluffs, which can target some of the weaker portions of villains range (villain should be folding 34% of hands which he calls on the flop when facing a 40% pot sized turn bet). I will give an example, when we bet 30% pot on the flop villain should be continuing with hands like KQo with a heart. So when a 5d falls on the turn and we barrel a hand like KTo or K9s/K7s or Q9s its a massive win for us to get villain to fold that portion of their range which dominates us.
I hope that answered your question, but if not I'll be happy to discuss it further.
Hi there.18.00 with the AA you say we should bet 40% pot is 31.80 we have 31.08 so if we bet 12.72 and get called the pot is going to be 57.24 on the river and we will have 18.36 behind... how to we play rivers with such an awkward SPR? Do we auto jam any river?
Hey Tonyzer, when I say we bet 40% pot its the sizing we pick with our range when we do decide to bet. AA is going to be played very close to a pure check and for simplicity we could just play it as a pure check. When you ask how do we play rivers with this stack depth, it is not something I can answer as it would literally take pages to do. It would depend on our specific hand and also on the specific river. But I can say that we will be shoving most of our range which gets to the river this way (just want to emphasis that it will vary on exact hand and river card).
This video was said to be dealing with common spots. First hand in Hero hits his gutshot.
Seriously?! This is a common situation? I want to see common spots -- not turning the nuts in a 3-bet pot oop. The common spot is c-bet Flop with a range advantage, and missing the Turn. That would make for a better discussion.
If you listen to the first 30 seconds of the video you can clearly hear what I define as "common spots". I state that I will be looking at spots which come up more often, a late position open and a 3bet from the small blind at ~40-60BB effective.
getting there is part of poker too :p
thank you for reply ryan. :)
After seeing a few comments on the 40% turn bet with 1spr back, I want to back Ryan up here as a random Sim runner. Not this exact situation, but I've seen so many simulations where the solver prefers a 40% bet with 1spr on the turn. It's hard to digest.
Thanks for the backup Corgi, it is definitely something that comes up fairly regularly. I'll find the sim later and post a screen shot of it.
I got you Ryan Henry
You are saying that he should go all in with the AQo preflop but you only have 3% of 3bet in more than 200 hands... I don´t get it, you should look to your image too at that point right?
I actually have a total of 464 hands vs Button who is a reg and he will have the same amount of hands vs me too (not just this one tournament). Also 200 hands is such a tiny sample its not really all that relevant. But yeah going all in with AQo is going to be the standard here.
I actually have a total of 464 hands vs Button who is a reg and he will have the same amount of hands vs me too (not just this one tournament). Also 200 hands is such a tiny sample its not really all that relevant. But yeah going all in with AQo is going to be the standard here.
Thanks mate!
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