ICM Practice: Max Late Regging (20%-35% Players Left)
Posted by Ryan Henry
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Interesting topic. Nice adjustments regarding ICM shoves and calls but still difficult to assess with so many variables. Line is very thin and mistakes are easy to make one side or the other.
Waiting to see more on this and also your opinion about population tendencies at micros.
Thanks for the vid, cheers.
No worries! I also think it is a very interesting topic. I also agree the line is very thin and there are many moving parts and it will take a very long time to perfect. From my experience with micros I think it is very likely population call off too wide as well as shove too wide and so I would adjust my calling/shoving ranges accordingly.
Lets say you typically have a 30-40% roi when you reg in early/early mid stages. How low do you think your roi would drop when you max late reg?
When you consider ICM I have seen a few situations where your stack can be worth 10% than the buy in, for example buy in of $109, $9 to rake and $100 to prize pool, and you stack is worth ~$119.9. Your edge at short stack poker will obviously be much lower as well, I don't have a very large sample on this so I am unsure, but I would estimate 5-10%, so with the ICM implications + edge I wouldn't be surprised to see 15-20% ROI. The other thing to consider is time spent in a tournament will be significantly less and so you will be able to play a much higher volume which will equate to a higher hourly.
Excellent video Ryan!
Thanks mate, glad you enjoyed it!
Great content. Why do you prefer icmizer over hrc?
Thanks.
Thanks mate, good to hear you also enjoyed it. To be honest I haven't had any experience with HRC, when I first got into studying poker I bought ICMizer, I have enjoyed the product and for the most part it was able to do everything I required of it, so I am unsure of the pros/cons of both.
great video brother!
I think this is very valuable less sexy work that is needed to be done. thanks for sharing that
I have this thought about ICM that I would like to hear your opinion about
I think we should tend a bit more towards making +CEV plays which are not necessarily profitable in ICM calculations in earlier ICM stages like this, because of how valuable it is to make it to the late stages (2 tables/FT) with a large stack, where the ICM is much more significant (it's a future game consideration that ICM calculations are not taking into account)
what do you think?
No worries mate, good to hear you've enjoyed it. I also agree this is essential work and it can massively increase your win rate.
I have also thought about this and it is very difficult to know for certain without a precise model. I would lean towards playing somewhat tighter with ~30% of the field left and this would increase until the bubble burst, I think once it bursts I would be more inclined to play closer to chip EV as just making the mincash would be massive to our win rate. What are your thoughts on this?
Ryan Henry
yes It makes alot of sense to me
I would probably go a little bit looser when it's like 30% field compared to like 17-20% field in more spots because of the possibility of having an entire bubblish play with this big stack advantage
but totally agree cashing is very ''important'' and we probably want to go closer to chips after the bubble burst
Great video, I'm hoping theres not a lot of ACR regs subscribed. Do you have any simple heuristics you use in game when deviating from chipEV or are you just reliant on having grinded sims?
Thanks Kmid. Lets hope together haha. Mostly reliant on grinding sims, but what I can suggest is to find a baseline (ChipEv) and then look in the lobby for what stage of the tournament you are in, as well as stack depth and deviate from there.
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