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POSTED Oct 09, 2019

In the previous installment, Ryan Henry aka unconquer3d took a look at this situation at roughly 30BB's deep. Now the situation is changed by doubling the effective stacks and Ryan breaks down how this changes our approach.

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GeeTeeOh 5 years, 6 months ago

How reasonable do you think it is to run the sims and give some kind of "proper" ranges for villains? I mean at midstakes almost no one is 3betting with the proper freqs...
Also in your first sim when you go that far down the game tree (river probe/r...) you should be aware that the solution is not very reliable unless u ran it to an extremely high accuracy.

Ryan Henry 5 years, 6 months ago

Hey GeeTeeOh, I think it is very reasonable to use the theoretically correct ranges when running a sim. Firstly, because I use these ranges from the big blind (or as close to it as I can) and so when I run these sims I am not just looking at what I am doing on the button, but I am also looking at my response as if I were the big blind to too, and so having theoretically correct ranges preflop is essential.

Also, you say that the population at midstakes don't 3-bet with the correct ranges, I would agree with you and would say on average under bluff. But it is very difficult to assign players an exact preflop range, so what I would suggest doing is to understand what is happening at an equilibrium, preflop and postflop, and once you have an understanding of this to deviate depending on what your opponent is doing.

I do understand the sim becomes less accurate the further down the game tree you explore, but I run my sims to a significant accuracy, as you can see in the sim you mentioned it is exploitable to 0.1833% of a pot size of 300 chips, and because of this we are still going to have a fairly accurate idea of what we should be doing on the river.

Flemeth 5 years, 6 months ago

Pretty good stuff, easy to see you've solid fundamentals, also liked the pace. I think the sims would be a little more precise if you reduce the number of bet sizes on the flop, leaving only those that have relevance or are part of your real strategy, so that you don't leave behind some significant combos for turn and river. Sometimes you might need to run the sim two times, (when not sure of the flop preferred sizes), but I think it is worth it.

Keep it up!

Ryan Henry 5 years, 6 months ago

Hey Flemeth, thanks for the words and I am glad you enjoyed the video. I 100% agree with you and what you have suggested is completely relevant for the last hand in this video, on the flop AA3r, where my bet sizing on this flop can be simplified to just one sizing of 33% pot. I will incorporate this into future videos to make sure the sim is more accurate.

Thanks again for the suggestion!

Yojimbo 4 years, 5 months ago

Pure gold, finally got it.

I mean, i had a biass against analysis reinforced with pio solvers due to a wrong vision, been that a practical one who understimate, in some ways, the importance of ranges and, thus, see this kinda vids as must seen but boring.

Obv thats a mistake but you have to get to it on your own and only happens when you "discover" (again) the deep and beauty of the game. And pio sims reveals itself as one of the best tools at that moment.

Great stuff and im happy i went back to it.

Thanks for the video Ryan.

Pd/ don´t stop making HHs reviews and such lol

Ryan Henry 4 years, 5 months ago

Glad you see you've had an ah ha moment. It's always an amazing feeling when you come across this situation.

I also agree that Pio is one of the best tools at the moment, but also remember to adjust what Pio suggests when playing against opponents who construct their ranges differently postflop. I would also suggest looking for situations where players are heavily overfolding as that can equate to a lot of EV.

Also glad you have enjoyed the video and I plan to continue reviewing HH's :).

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