Good question. I think he would want to use cards that block part of my 5x region even though most of my 5x on this specific board have a pair. I also believe that having an 8 on his hand is probably not good OTR since he'd block a decent amount of my folding range.
Great video nino! Great to have you back as an elite coach.
At 11:10 how does Kc unblock his river folds? He will often try to check back k highs till the river and fold to a bet? We also block A5, 45 etc?
Or is it because kc is specially good as it might be getting bet on precious streets more often than other k highs ? So maybe checking k5 without a club is better?
Or is it because kc is specially good as it might be getting bet on precious streets more often than other k highs ? So maybe checking k5 without a club is better?
This is exactly the reason. The Kc is gonna perform better than other Kx as a river bluff since it unblocks more folding hands on this specific action.
Hi nuno, a lot of new doubts came as I rewatched this video
At 15:38, you said your blockers are are good to bluff the river. I feels to me that they are rather irrelevant because he never reaches the river like this with a Q and 7 in this hand? I feel they might be okay for overbet sizings as they our opponent is more likely to call us with a Q or 7 in his hand. Am I thinking wrongly?
At 21:11, Which kind of bluffs will you use to take this line with?
You mentioned some 9 but don't you think a 9 would block some of his weakest check calls K9, 69etc?
Also do you have any check back frequency with 97 on this flop? Because if you do it's a very likely line with that hand, and then 109 becomes a decent call.
At 50:28, which kind of hands will you use to bluff raise the turn? You have every offsuit 78, every q8, and some KQ, which are like 32-34 hands(lets say about 20 combos as some of them will be checkraising flop). How will you balance this range of your turn raises with bluffs? Can you give me some idea about how the maths of this spot works?
K8cc seems like an ideal hand but I guess we need a lot more hands I guess? Which will be your top choices. Thanks !
15:38 - I said my blockers are good to bluff river in the sense I unblock very well his folding region (same concept as on the K5o at 11:10)
I feel they might be okay for overbet sizings as they our opponent is more likely to call us with a Q or 7 in his hand. Am I thinking wrongly?
You’re right. Overbet is a fine play with this combo.
21:11 - Good question. I’d have a decent amount of 9x and Jx hands taking this line that can be used to bluff river. While it’s true that my 9x hands block part of his weakest check call hands, they also block part of his bluffcatchers such as his own T9o or 96o.
Also do you have any check back frequency with 97 on this flop? Because if you do it's a very likely line with that hand, and then 109 becomes a decent call.
I do have 97 taking this line occasionally but this doesn’t make his T9o combos much better bluffcatchers since I also have plenty of bluffs that contain a 9.
50:28 - On these kind of spots you have to be aware of how many value combos you have in order to decide how many bluffs you need. On this particular turn spot I don’t have nearly as many value combos as you mentioned (note that KQo is a very high frequency 3bet and 78, Q8 are doing some 3betting as well and they are not raising turn all the time either) so you have to be very careful selecting your bluffing hands. I think stuff like Kxcc and Qxcc are going to be the main preferences since they have very good blockers and great equity when called.
It’s also worth mentioning that in other spots in which your value range is much wider because you can include plenty of two pair hands, sets and even some one pairs, you have to increase your bluffing range substantially.
Thanks for such a detailed response Nuno!
At 21:11, Got it, makes a lot of sense!
At 50:28, This is where I find myself lost the most. Because if you are assuming 109 will be a bad bluffcatcher for OOP, then bluffing the 9 seems bad right? Since when he check calls the turn he always has a bluffcatcher, so it makes more sense to block his good bluffcatchers right?
At 50:28, makes sense. But are we really calling a 3/4rth pot bet bet on the flop with many k high/ Q high clubs? Can we consider bluffing with some K9, Q9 with K or Q of club?
Also even if we have say 10 value raises on the turn, how many exact no of bluffs do we need?
21:11 - This is a hard question to answer because we as humans tend to have this way of thinking that there's only one reason why we take a specific line or why we choose a specific range of hands to bluff on a given spot while the solver seems to have a lot of different reasons to do something. I think on this particular spot, to make his bluffcatchers indifferent we need to add some 9x to our range but not all of them and not exclusively 9x hands since that will pretty much make him able to fold every combo that contains a 9.
50:28 - You're right about flop size. I assumed he used a ~ 50% size cbet since it's the most common one on these T high boards nowadays. Against his larger flop bet we probably won't have as many turn bluffs available and that makes stuff as Q9o and even 98o with a club decent bluffing candidates at low frequencies.
Also even if we have say 10 value raises on the turn, how many exact no of bluffs do we need?
It depends on the raise size that you use. I don't think this is the way to go about it though because it's too time consuming while playing since you'll have to identify the exact amount of value combos (and stack off draws) you have and then calculate how many bluffs you need to add to be perfectly balanced. I'd recommend you to try to approximate to it in game by adding small percentages of combos that you think will work good as bluffs on each given spot.
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Welcome back Nuno, good video.
Thanks a lot James. Glad to be back!
Nice video, at 24 min mark K7 hand what would be good bluffs for your opponent to use on the river after betting small on the turn?
Thanks, glad you liked it.
Good question. I think he would want to use cards that block part of my 5x region even though most of my 5x on this specific board have a pair. I also believe that having an 8 on his hand is probably not good OTR since he'd block a decent amount of my folding range.
Great video nino! Great to have you back as an elite coach.
At 11:10 how does Kc unblock his river folds? He will often try to check back k highs till the river and fold to a bet? We also block A5, 45 etc?
Or is it because kc is specially good as it might be getting bet on precious streets more often than other k highs ? So maybe checking k5 without a club is better?
Thanks a lot man! Glad you liked it.
This is exactly the reason. The Kc is gonna perform better than other Kx as a river bluff since it unblocks more folding hands on this specific action.
Hi nuno, a lot of new doubts came as I rewatched this video
At 15:38, you said your blockers are are good to bluff the river. I feels to me that they are rather irrelevant because he never reaches the river like this with a Q and 7 in this hand? I feel they might be okay for overbet sizings as they our opponent is more likely to call us with a Q or 7 in his hand. Am I thinking wrongly?
At 21:11, Which kind of bluffs will you use to take this line with?
You mentioned some 9 but don't you think a 9 would block some of his weakest check calls K9, 69etc?
Also do you have any check back frequency with 97 on this flop? Because if you do it's a very likely line with that hand, and then 109 becomes a decent call.
At 50:28, which kind of hands will you use to bluff raise the turn? You have every offsuit 78, every q8, and some KQ, which are like 32-34 hands(lets say about 20 combos as some of them will be checkraising flop). How will you balance this range of your turn raises with bluffs? Can you give me some idea about how the maths of this spot works?
K8cc seems like an ideal hand but I guess we need a lot more hands I guess? Which will be your top choices. Thanks !
Hey Shekhar.
15:38 - I said my blockers are good to bluff river in the sense I unblock very well his folding region (same concept as on the K5o at 11:10)
You’re right. Overbet is a fine play with this combo.
21:11 - Good question. I’d have a decent amount of 9x and Jx hands taking this line that can be used to bluff river. While it’s true that my 9x hands block part of his weakest check call hands, they also block part of his bluffcatchers such as his own T9o or 96o.
I do have 97 taking this line occasionally but this doesn’t make his T9o combos much better bluffcatchers since I also have plenty of bluffs that contain a 9.
50:28 - On these kind of spots you have to be aware of how many value combos you have in order to decide how many bluffs you need. On this particular turn spot I don’t have nearly as many value combos as you mentioned (note that KQo is a very high frequency 3bet and 78, Q8 are doing some 3betting as well and they are not raising turn all the time either) so you have to be very careful selecting your bluffing hands. I think stuff like Kxcc and Qxcc are going to be the main preferences since they have very good blockers and great equity when called.
It’s also worth mentioning that in other spots in which your value range is much wider because you can include plenty of two pair hands, sets and even some one pairs, you have to increase your bluffing range substantially.
Thanks for such a detailed response Nuno!
At 21:11, Got it, makes a lot of sense!
At 50:28, This is where I find myself lost the most. Because if you are assuming 109 will be a bad bluffcatcher for OOP, then bluffing the 9 seems bad right? Since when he check calls the turn he always has a bluffcatcher, so it makes more sense to block his good bluffcatchers right?
At 50:28, makes sense. But are we really calling a 3/4rth pot bet bet on the flop with many k high/ Q high clubs? Can we consider bluffing with some K9, Q9 with K or Q of club?
Also even if we have say 10 value raises on the turn, how many exact no of bluffs do we need?
21:11 - This is a hard question to answer because we as humans tend to have this way of thinking that there's only one reason why we take a specific line or why we choose a specific range of hands to bluff on a given spot while the solver seems to have a lot of different reasons to do something. I think on this particular spot, to make his bluffcatchers indifferent we need to add some 9x to our range but not all of them and not exclusively 9x hands since that will pretty much make him able to fold every combo that contains a 9.
50:28 - You're right about flop size. I assumed he used a ~ 50% size cbet since it's the most common one on these T high boards nowadays. Against his larger flop bet we probably won't have as many turn bluffs available and that makes stuff as Q9o and even 98o with a club decent bluffing candidates at low frequencies.
It depends on the raise size that you use. I don't think this is the way to go about it though because it's too time consuming while playing since you'll have to identify the exact amount of value combos (and stack off draws) you have and then calculate how many bluffs you need to add to be perfectly balanced. I'd recommend you to try to approximate to it in game by adding small percentages of combos that you think will work good as bluffs on each given spot.
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