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$10/$20 PLO: A Bit of An Experiment

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Richard Gryko

POSTED Oct 07, 2022

Richard Gryko grabs hands that jumped out to him over the last month and dives into them to see the bigger lessons that can be learned from the nuance of each hand.

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Red-3Bet-Invest 2 years, 6 months ago

Great video, richard, as usual.
At 13:49, You mentioned hands like KK with the Jc pretty much always lead( also hands like 44s), even though they have way more showdown value than a hands like yours. Do you think that might be because there is a value element also attached to it, as you mentioned pretty much every two pair with a club has to herocall the river, which also made me wonder that OOP must have some very low equity hands that lead rivers( to make a hand like A7 with a club indifferent), which might they be? Having a very hard time thinking about it, maybe some hands like A568 with a club? But that might just be a flop fold, without a backdoor flush draw, and given how many value hands we are gonna have, we probably needs to find a lot more leads with hands like these.

At 33:28, can we have a blocking range on the river? Or is this a range check spot for us? If we do have a blocking range, which kind of bluffs will we be using? Maybe Ac with a 7?

Richard Gryko 2 years, 6 months ago

Hi, thanks :)

13.49 - combination of that and the removal based reason given a little later. Rest of your reasoning makes sense, OOP is as you say constrained in choice of riv bluffs by just not having the best ones that often.

33.28 - in theory range check seems best, we've set our range up to be very polar on turn and capped on this river so having a small block size doesnt seem to work well, value region is capped and defined, bluff region would have a hard time generating much fold eq vs an entirely flush+ range, we also somewhat screw over our checking range if we're vbetting our best hands whilst capped. That said, it could easily be viable in practice vs the more predictable types who would call all their bad flushes vs block and underbluff them vs chk.

Internerd 2 years, 6 months ago

In the Q9104 hand, if the 7 of hearts is a better turn card for oop, and oop only leads half the time, why is ip supposed to have a frequent bet of large sizing?

Richard Gryko 2 years, 6 months ago

Hi - unless I misspoke, which I concede with my track record is far from impossible, I didnt say IP bets with a high frequency, I said he uses a large sizing - IP turn cbets are most often for a large sizing due to the disincentives in place against thin vbetting, and whilst the 7h is a favourable turn for OOP, once he checks its not like IP is screwed RvR for either equity or polarity, he still has some reasonable amt of hands to double barrel with. If I forced OOP into pure chk, IP cbet range would contract sharply into the 30s, which is significantly lower than avg, but sizing would likely remain large.

Also, tbh, not sure you can say OOP "only" leads half the time, its an extremely high frequency relative to avg turn lead %.

Coolknights 2 years, 5 months ago

Non-PLO player here - 23:36 is checking down the unpaired As a thing here. Seems like amazing removal for a non-showdown hand

Richard Gryko 2 years, 5 months ago

Hi, generally how it works in theory is that we cant bluff all our nut flush blocker combos bc if we did we'd be overweight in bluffs, so we bluff more NFB as our pf range grows tighter/more suited and we find whatever portion of our NFB combos we want to check from the combos with the most showdown value and the worst removal. I'd assume oppt here felt the KJT in his hand blocked a lot of my river autofolds, he may also have felt that in practice monotones are often poorly defended, so my flop peel freq is likely a little lower than solver would suggest, making my river distribution a little stronger. Hate to cop out, but tbh I feel like bluff/give up are both kinda ok - its worth noting that some of his better As riv bluffs might either not exist bc of preflop or go in his turn bluffing range, so mostly his NFB combos with no sd value are kinda bad in terms of removal, maybe he decided to bluff like AKJ5/AKJ8 and give this one up.

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