$25/$50+ PLO: An ACR Session in My Groove
Posted by Richard Gryko
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Great video as always.
Could you maybe comment on the hand around min 33.25 at top right from both of your opponents perspective ( the aqq6 vs t987) ?
I am just curious about every decision point from their perspective both from a theoretical and practical standpoint.
I'd like to see a breakdown of this one too.
Hi,
Am away for a week but will get to this once I return.
chipsandsalsa Choparno
hey guys - yeah its pretty interesting from both perspectives, tbh looking back on it my role in the hand is kinda the least noteworthy part. its the kind of hand id either talk about for a minute or an hour so lets try to keep it to the former and if it spawns a bunch of followups maybe ill just touch on it at beginning of next vid.
t987 - no real decisions until turn, lead allin seems like it should do pretty well. riv bluff seems fine, hes close to bottom of his range with reasonable removal (since it targets the TT-AA region) and his perceived range should be pretty light in bluffs. id guess it doesnt win a bunch and better bluffs would prob be like A543 with blop bdfds.
aqq6 - pre is pretty out there after initial call but the idea to leverage me vs the other guy is nice and quite typical of this specific player - vs OOP hes doing fine, he only rly loses to KK and he has decent fold eq/raw eq vs that, his issue is he redistributes a lot of that gain to me since tight linear uncapped ranges will in turn have excellent eq vs aqq6, the 3-way equities arent usually kind to hands like his against ranges like mine/t987 guys. flop cbet seems like a clear error but i wont pretend to have studied backraised MW 3BP so i defer to contrary opinions from anyone who has.
riv call shows good awareness of how ranges are interacting, getting to riv this way he has quite a small amt of Kx+ to call with so reg v reg whn he can assume other guy is hand reading him decently he needs to call some of his TT-AA region (although again, prob wont win much) and if OOP is primarily drawing bluffs from his 8x, then he'll likely mostly have other medium cards wrapping around the 8, so having no J,T,9,8,7 is pretty cool, id assume AQQ6 and the other pair+ high/low combos outperform pair+medium/medium.
Worth noting that riv analysis in particular assumes reg v reg thought processes with mixes/use of unblockers/bunch of hands putting money in with near 0EV etc. lower down i think you often get ppl thinking more absolutely "OOP can never be bluffing here" etc and if IP thinks OOP never bluffs he should pure fold his
Incidentally, one video format I always thought had potential but never rly seemed to catch on was me responding to questions asked by RIO subscribers in a Q&A type format. Its def one I'd still do if I got the right type of questions (can be answered in reasonable depth in roughly 10-12mins, not overly generalised, requires some monker legwork but not so much as to make it impractical) in large enough numbers. I'd be happy to answer questions such as the one posed above in video format instead, and my inbox is always open if you have potential material for such a video.
Thanks for your reply !
I see those plays quite a bit at the rathole tables when the short stack squeezing is very short vs the other two players. It seemed like this wasn’t really the case here with you having 60bbs and a relatively tight range. So it seemed very light in this specific spot.
- if he gets it in vs you with 16bb dead he still needs ~44% to break even so he must lose quite a bit in this case
- he gets it in 3 ways. Equity in the main pot should be quite bad again so without doing any math it seems he should still lose here
- So in order for this to win he must draw his money from the 3rd option that happened in the video. Maybe he somehow does, to me it didn’t seem likely that playing aqq6 with spr 1 will make a ton of money but I could be totally wrong
To the flop:
I was wondering about his flop sizing:
It probably depends on his exact preflop range, but how does he spilt his range here? If he still has some hands like aa42rb don’t they just pot the flop?
If yes what hands does he have in this sizing that bet/call other than kk?
Turn:
My first thought was also just to shove the turn with t987. I guess if he thinks bu has mostly kk or folds there might not be a lot of things to protect against.
River:
This seemed the most interesting to me.
Based on what I thought ranges should be my first thought was bluffing his hand was bad in practice. I just didn’t see a lot of better hands folding getting 3:1 on the river. You block tt, also tt and jj shouldn’t be a large portion of bu range . I might be wrong on this but it seems a fair amount of the ajj att that reopen the action like this could also 3bet to begin with. Even if he has those hands (tt-qq )it seems like the button should be heavily inclined to call giving pot odds. that combined with having potentially the best hand vs a high seemed like we should only bluff hands like you said in the 3x region.
But maybe I underestimate how low in his range button is here…
pre - yeah def a thing at rathole tbls, but as you say, light given specifics.
flop - think all his Kx can small bet/call off, prob shove the Kx + pocket pair bc less 2pr outs and therefore worse playability, so like small bet AKJT and pot AKQQ seems solid. bad AA would just bet allin id agree.
turn - nah pretty sure he doesnt think that, maybe couldve chkd on autopilot or something, hand seems very well calibrated for turn shove.
riv - think all of this is reasonable enough perspective to take (although i dont rly think the showdown vs A high factor is that large since IP prob has very few combos of unpaired hands and some/all of them prob bluff riv). i think the bluff is slightly better than i think you do, mainly because i think "heavily inclined to call" is an oversell, can def see some IPs just sigh folding that region a bunch figuring its underbluffed as a spot/OOP lacks natural bluffs in large enough quantity etc.
Thanks for taking the time to answer
Sure no problem :)
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