$25,000 PGT PLO Final Table: An ICM Puzzle
Posted by Richard Gryko
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Another brilliant video. Can't watch enough of you talking about MTTs.
2:51 Already interesting spot pre. At no ICM, at 50bb eff, Ax5x52 is a fold, Ax5x53 opens for 2.5x. At ICM, 30bb eff, it is only a VPIP at the ds version.
19:55 at no ante, no ICM: 30bb,
JJT6ds would fold vs 3bet and at 40, it would call. Considering the lower SPR given the ante and the ICM, seems a clear fold in that situation.
Considering ICM, at 30bb eff, JJT6ds should fold pre at EP. A small fraction of JJT7/8 does limp, only starts to be a 100% limp at JJT9ds.
Richard Gryko on the last hand are your bluff catchers only hands that contain TT and JJ in with this ICM pressure? If we are opening tighter than for chip EV how many hands do we have that contain those combos that check call twice and can still beat Samuli's QXXX three barrel bluffs? Does Samuli ever fold T7 to a XR all in given how shallow they are and given Le should have so few bluffs in this spot because of the ICM? In fact does Le have any XR bluffs at all in this line? This is a fascinating spot. Great video as always
-likely bluffcatching wider than [TT,JJ] combos precisely as a function of your next point, also because river bet is not all-in/payouts are on top heavy side ICM premium wont be punishingly large
-not sure if he does fold T7, whether he "should" depends how wide he vbets, if T7 is his worst vbet then in theory he has to fold it at some freq or he ends up purecalling his vbetting range which is pretty much never a good idea unless exploiting; to your other point, I doubt XR bluff occurs here at anything greater than a trace freq either in theory or practice (maybe the odd unicorn combo like KJJ9 or something))
3:19 (A886ds): "BU should proceed primarily, if not exclusively, by 3bets"
Could you please expand on that? Why not calling a pretty looking hand? What is the primary reason - to push out blinds/limper/potentially even the raiser himself?
9:00 (AKQ5ss): You are saying something similar here: if the stacks were around 25bb, the primary strategy would be 3bet or fold. Is it because with shorter stacks we are playing a bit stricter for raw EQ, and we can make the openraiser fold quite a bit of his range (while here with more chips behind he could call looser pre vs 3bets)?
There are some brief thoughts given in the vid but would love to hear more about the considerations when to have a "3bet-or-fold" strat instead of having a calling range pre. Ty :)
Hi,
Firstly, thanks for the screengrabs, big timesaver.
3.19 - basically, bc "calling a pretty looking hand" is more of a cash game thing. In MTTs, and esp FTs, youre not normally looking to see flops as the preflop caller as much, particularly vs covering stacks who can apply more pressure to you than you can to them.
9.00 - yeah similar spot, similar train of thought.
Without getting too into the weeds, idea is that you value fold equity/winning pots uncontested more, PFR will often be wider than from same seat in cash games so will have more natural folds, you dont want to coldcall a decent % of your stack that often when postflop eq realisation will be worse than in a cash game, and "calling to reduce variance" is often a mirage.
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