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216 Hands to Review: $500 Zoom Replayer

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POSTED Nov 24, 2018

Mark Lammers aka ElusiveMark grabs VPIP'd hands during a $500 zoom session and rips through all of them discussing the good and bad over the course of the review.

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therapist 6 years, 4 months ago

Hi, a couple of questions about your pio sim at 8 mins with AK.

  1. Why did you use the 1/3 sizing on the k43s flop? Because if you give pio 2/3 instead, our ev is higher.

  2. Why did you select "Do not 3b" for villains turn strategy?

EluSiVeMark 6 years, 4 months ago

Hey,

1) 2/3 would be a more polarizing strategy and thus betting less hands. Maybe vs PIO it loses some value but vs population i think we might gain some EV by players not defending properly. I think anything from 1/3 to 2/3 pot is fine though and use whatever suits best for you or the player u are facing.
2) Maybe by accident. No reason for me to select that.

RunItTw1ce 6 years, 4 months ago

1) Are you splitting your 1/4th and 1/3rd sizing based on there being a possible FD on the board and not because of your hand strength?
- At 3:34 you use 1/4 sizing in a single raised pot $6 into $25 on 4hAd2s board with 8s9s.
- At 6:17 you use 1/3 sizing $40 into $120 on 4cKd3d board in a 3 bet pot with AK SB vs BTN.
- At 13:25 you use 1/4 sizing $6 into $25 on Kd3h4h board with AhKh.
-Seems like 6:17 compared to 13:25 you use different sizing having a lock on the hand blocking flush draws and TP.

2) At 11:27 you talk about checking back some times holding AhAd on Th3h6dAc board, but you chose to go with 44% pot $71 into $159. Do you think this is the best sizing? I was thinking of using 1/4th pot around $40 into $159 because you block AhXh hands which may float the flop. Also if you have a hand like AKo here how do you respond to a check raise? Does using 1/4th pot give too good of a price to KJ, KQ, etc type hands?

3) At 28:12 you call a small 3 bet with 5s5h and xr on 7dKd5c board vs a 1/3 sizing. Earlier in your Pio sim you had AK on K43dd board. In PIO there wasn't a lot of check raising done by villain, do you think check raising 55 on K75 turns your hand face up with the Kd being on the board where you cannot have TPFD?

4) Are you sizing up with 55 here because you unblock TP and FD, then downbet with AA for the opposite reasons?
At 11:27 holding AhAd on Th3h6dAc board you chose to go with 44% pot $71 into $159.
At 28:19 holding 5s5h on 7dKd5c6h board you chose $124 into $188 about 65% pot

5) At 28:40 holding JhJc on 5h4s7h board you are in SB vs BB formation and chose to check call vs half pot bet. In live poker are you also checking this? I was checking this in live games, but found they are not exploiting the cbet with their draws by raising, so it's best to bet / fold in this spot. Also not a lot of good turn cards for JJ if BB checks back. Do you think it's better to bet / fold hands like 99-JJ and check call hands like QQ-AA that need less protection? Do you find betting or checking to be best for over pairs with a heart?

6) At 32:58 you call a 3bet with 88 and flop came 468dd, do you ever consider donk betting this flop since the IP player should be checking back quite a bit? Pot is ~90 what sizing would you use if you were to donk bet? Also in live poker what are your thoughts on donking this texture?

EluSiVeMark 6 years, 4 months ago

1) I've been trying out the 1/4 pot in SR pots and see how people respond to it. The 1/3 pot was in a 3bet pot.
2) I'd like to see myself setting up stacks better (around 60% pot). This sizing doesn't accomplish a ton. I think 25-33%% pot has some merits aswell. We are able to bet some Tx,JJ-KK for that sizing for protection/ value.
3) With 55 i thought i faced a weaker player -> so i want to put in money quickly vs a perceived strong range before the board runs out in a way where he is less likely to keep betting. VS a regular i would be more willing to call.
4) Yes, but i didn't like my AA sizing too much.
5) Not a good board for the SB compared to the BB so we need to check very often. It obviously depends who we face in live poker but i tend to bet more for the reasons you stated. I like to build bigger pots with hands that have more equity so heart over non-hearts.
6) It's close. I don't think we have an equity advantage but we do have a nutadvantage. If we suspect villain to check back very often donking starts to make sense. But if we always donk our strong hands our checking range becomes very weak. So this strategy can become quickly pretty difficult. I would play exploitive vs players who think a bit less about ranges and check vs most good players with range.

In live poker i like donking for 1/3 pot. They often will float or raise you with a bunch of their range because it's also an ego thing folding in a bloated pot vs a small bet.

shipapotamus 6 years, 4 months ago

2:49 you 4b KK to 26bb BTN vs SB
17:20 you 4b AKo HJ vs CO to 20bb
How come you choose so huge 4b IP when you have positional advantage and want to make him also call some hands preflop but 20bb when OOP (yes there is difference in 3b sizes)?

EluSiVeMark 6 years, 4 months ago

I tend to go a bit less than 3x OOP depending on stacksizes and 2,5x IP with my 4bets. Depends if i think i face a polarizing or liniair range.

KK could have been a tiny bit smaller. Maybe 120 would have been better

abhi147 6 years, 4 months ago

At 21:24, the fact that you betting range is decent Ax+, how does it make sense to use a small sizing, when our betting range is so polar?

EluSiVeMark 6 years, 4 months ago

I used a small sizing because the SPR is relatively low. It also allows me to bet more gutters with decent blockers to their continuing range. Bigger sizing is fine aswell i believe.

abhi147 6 years, 4 months ago

But doesn't the bigger sizing lets you have more bluffs?

EluSiVeMark 6 years, 4 months ago

That applies more to the river where u give your opponents worse odds to call. In spots like this and especially multiway i believe the continuing ranges of our opponents are somewhat unelastic to different sizings.

Jeff_ 6 years, 4 months ago

31-23 min KQo definitely should be defend, either by 4betting or calling. Against what 3bet% you would fold it?

35-10 you folded A5 vs 2 barrel and called before (14 minute 66 in similar bluffcatch situation), looks like you weren't focused well while playing

EluSiVeMark 6 years, 4 months ago

KQo probably defend vs 10% or more 3bet. I quickly checked and we have 37% vs vs this 8,14% range: 99+, ATs+, A5s-A3s, KJs+, 76s, 65s, 54s, AQo+. ( We need about 38%, but having a range disadventage i believe we need slightly more than 38%)

With the A5 and the 66: I think both hands are very different and against different types of recreationals.
A5s was vs an opponent playing 21/3. Against most recs i would call but seeing me fold i am pretty confident that he had a very low WWSF%.
66 was vs a player playing 36/28 and aggressive postflop. Also his line + betsizing OTR didnt quite add up for having many valuehands and therefor is probably overbluffing.

bombriver 6 years, 3 months ago

Hey mark
very first hand defend w/ 68s for 2.2x is standard but in the live games I play in the opens are always 4-5x do you still defend suited gappers for that sizing 100bb+ deep?

EluSiVeMark 6 years, 3 months ago

Depends on the rake and quality of your opposition. 4-5x opens we can defend pretty tight and i would probably let those weaker hands go.

bombriver 6 years, 3 months ago

I play in a timed session fee game, w/ max buyin of 200bb, do you think vs ave reg w/ 200bb stacks defending suited 2 gappers starting 74s for 5x is okay or even still better to fold?

feat.random 5 years, 11 months ago

Hey Mark!
For the 99 hand at 19min, would 2/3 turn and 1/4 river be better sizings than 1/4 and 2/3? I mean 2/3 or 1/2 turn for protection and deny equity, 1/4 or 1/3 river for value 8x, 7x or 66?

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