HORSE Exploration: Razz
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Good video, thanks, I like your style !
Question : How do you account for reverse implied odds when considering making a call on 5th/6th street ? It's kinda easy to use propokertools or odds oracle to calculate your equity vs range but it's a very incomplete method. I assume you'll need to do some guessing but a general idea would be helpful.
It's kind of complicated, but i will try to give you an example
Let's say the pot is 4bigbet at 5th street...
You have: 96-78TT. Your opponent board is: A332
Let's assume we open cutoff, he 2bets btn, and dead cards are KKKQQQ. We think he only 2bets 3card 7s
Our current equity in the hand is ~27%
dead cards: KKKQQQ
Hand Equity Wins Ties
(7-7-A)233 73.15% 438,878 0
9678TT 26.85% 161,122 0
We are getting the right price now, the pot was 4bigbet, we have to call 1bigbet, so we need 16,6% equity now.
But we will face another bet at the river...If he bets 100% at the river, then we need to call 2bigbet to get to the showdown, so we will need 25%. We still have that, so we can call down if we assume that he bets the river 100%. But it's hard to exactly figure out what we should do here, because if he assumes that we calldown always, then he might not bet the river as a bluff, only for value...Then our calls on 6th and 7th street will be losing.
Let's assume dead cards were KKK23. It makes it less likely he paired his 3:
dead cards: KKK23
Hand Equity Wins Ties
(7-7-A)233 80.53% 483,189 0
9678TT 19.47% 116,811 0
Now we only have around 19-20% equity. Even if he bets 100% at the river with reverse implied odds (have to call future bets in the dark) we dont have the right equity to calldown.
Thanks, that's the method I've been using usually (calculating my odds on a calldown) but as you say, sometimes if he doesn't auto bet river then our equity is actually worse than what propokertools gives us (and their is no way to solve for a chosen river strat for vilain I think, I tried.)
Also on 5th street it's more complicated I think because you have some backdoor equity and can reevaluate on 6th, there I think the "calldown odds" method is even less accurate.
I was just wondering if you had another method than this one or are just going by "feel".
Maybe some examples of situation where you can call getting less than "calldown odds" and some examples where you need to fold even getting right "calldown odds" would be a nice subject for a future video. I feel like this a part of razz that hasn't been really solved yet to my knowledge and one of the few spots where you can really get an edge on other good regs.
Hi, really like how you account for different situations and pull out tools to do the math on those different situations. Keep doing that please! thank you!
Hey, great video :)
On 20:50 you say that we can profitably call with 667 vs his (8-8-6) range. We have only 27% equity. I can't see how we can play this hand +ev by calling here, could you explain it deeper please?
on 31:40 you say that our average hand will be T26 or 926. But considering you said that T26 is the bottom of our range, how does it make sense? I am confused.
47:15 - if our opponent has**T and decides to 2-bet vs our open - should we have a 3-bet range in this spot? With (6-6-3) against his (7-7-T) we have 67% eq which is a lot. Do you think that it's still more important to disguise our hand and you see more value in a future potential to outsmart him on later street with these strong hands? If yes, please give a couple of examples :)
Iteopepe88 Late to the party here but catching up on some mix game study. Why do you prefer not having a 3b range at all vrs something like a 3b range that mixes 80% premiums with 20% semi bluffs + a calling range that mixes medium strength and premiums. Is getting the extra bet in on 3rd street when pushing a smaller equity advantage simply not worth implementing a mix strategy? Or is the value being fully disguised for later streets just higher?
Great video, I really enjoyed it & looking forward to some more mix game videos! Also, could you add some videos with Archie, Badugi, Badacey, Badeucey, A-5 TD, & 2-7 TD.
Thanks
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