Yes it's a lot of simming and comparing EVs, and looking at what HS players are doing, combined with my own understanding of how ranges interact. I think the last point is especially important, you always want to have a good idea of what hands a certain sizing is built around.

3b size is 2.5bb->10bb, can't believe I forgot to mention

Thank you! See my reply to Rootsmanuva above. That said, the sims I ran are for 2.5bb open and 10bb 3bet, and if you're 3betting to a bigger size like 12bb, 67% might be more appropriate (because of the lower SPR).

So you are basically trying to set up for a 2 street game and shove a lot of turns when using the 90% size? Will have a small overbet left to play on turn is why I ask, makes 3 street betting a little awkward.

Yes that’s correct. But if your overpair is high and/or the turn is very dry, we sometimes still go for 3 streets. It feels awkward from a human standpoint, but the solver has no issue doing it :)

Glad you found it useful!

Yes 90% works quite well regardless of position, although there are some boards like T9x where we wanna size down a bit vs EP. Otherwise we isolate ourselves against too many high equity hands.

Your name sippin_criss seems so familiar, did you grind SNGS on stars back in the day? Ever do any coaching on cardrunners?

RunItTw1ce yup that's me!

What are you playing these days? Ever thought of making videos for RIO? Learned a lot from your videos back in the day.

Do you mean EV? Equity should be the same regardless of betsize.
In game I just use a big size and check hands like underpairs that don't make sense to bet big. One reason why these hands have higher EV in the small-bet-only sim is that they are protected by stronger hands. But if your stronger hands are betting big (which they should), it's probably best to not have a small bet range at all.

yes, meant EV or # of chips as you described in the video. Not sure if players will catch on based on flop texture how you are playing your range. On the 853ss example, with AQo being worth 18 chips as big bet and 21 chips as small bet, I would just go small bet with it for highest EV of that hand, but size up with JJ for 116 chips vs 102 chips using small bet. Do you really think players will catch onto this? Even if they do catch on, they need some type of hand usually to fight back with, not like they are going to take ATC and just raise all of our small bets because some of those small bets will still be strong hands as well. I guess the strongest hands would be like 2 overs and a flush draw. Looks like all the over pairs and sets prefer a bigger size.

Side note in terms of having small bet and big bet strategy I often see Elite coaches choose big bet or small bet based on the # they roll. So they are using multiple bet sizings but using RNG to determine their sizing. So with over pairs on the 853ss board, you can protect it by mixing in like 1/2 of them for smaller sizing. So with half your over pairs big bet. All your 2 overs 1 spade off suite combos use small bet, and flush draws use small bet. I guess big bet would still be face up though as over pairs... Would have to balance that, so writing it out, does make it pretty complicated.

Great video and thanks for feed back!

Usually if the SPR is high, we prefer to bet with As since it has some backdoor nut potential (important when stacks are deep). But in a 3bp we probably prefer checking with the As because of what you said. Not a big deal either way! And definitely more important to know how often your overpair hand class is supposed to be betting before looking at details like these.

2 sizes are enough, one slightly bigger than geometric, and one allin size. Former is used on dry (eg board pairing) turns, and the latter on wet turns.

When you say geometric do you mean relative to pot or to flop size? Ex. we cbet 90% then bet turn & river ~40% or shove turn?

Geometric meaning equal fractions of the pot on turn and river.

Qing Yang I was always thinking Geometric to be be able to shove river for around a PSB. Never really thought of it as betting equal % of the pot on each street. This could be a simple video to make, maybe it's not "elite content" but something to do with Geometric sizing with different hands. How to set up stacks on the river or avoid setting up stacks. Something a long the lines how different cbet sizes effect SPR on turns and rivers. Sounds more essential, but just a thought.

Hah, that’s a very oldschool approach. But in spots where you’re not getting raised much on the turn, it ends up losing value.

This sounds like what you’re looking for: https://www.runitonce.com/poker-training/videos/non-geometric-sizing/

Thank you Qing Yang it shows I watched like half of the video link you sent, but didn't give it a heart or leave a comment. That is very odd of me! I will leave the tab open and put the video on my "to watch" list. I'm sure my answers are 100% in that video. Thank you for sharing the link so I don't have to search LOL.

Hey Yolan!

My guess is that xr size depends mostly on how IP reacts to our xr. If IP mostly plays 3bet or fold, 2.2x or even minraising should work really well. But if IP defends by mostly calling, then we definitely wanna size up.

Given that IP is making a ton of protection bets, he should be defending against xr by doing lots of calling. So I would be reluctant to make it too small.

Thank you Henrik! Hope all is good

On a T high board for example, we prefer betting weaker overcards like QJ to fold out overcards that dominate us. We also prefer overcards with a bdfd since they have more equity and better removal.