PROvsPRO Elite Invitational (part 6)
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minute 24, betudontbet folds a2 suited to sams jam on btn, is this standard?
I ran it through HRC and, given nash ranges and payout, it's a clear losing stick in at -1.09% of the prize pool. ChipEV shows it as a slight winner at +0.07bb. I imagine Sam's shoving ranges are not far off from Nash so David's fold is good. Even if Sam is shoving quite a bit wider it's going to be hard (maybe impossible) to have a range that makes a call from David +$EV.
ICM:
cEV:
"join us next time... in a couple weeks"?!
PART 7 Please! < 3
Im not a hater but just this series was really fun at the start now its just Pro Vs Pro standard spots not sure if elite quality anymore.
Would like to see some way deeper spots maybe even plo/nlhe cash etc.
Respect to the guy who had this idea tho it can be huge if done properly!
You could say this about virtually any MTT series, as the issues you are describing are inherent to tournament poker.
While it is undoubtedly easier to learn endgame strategies than deep stack play, they are still an incredibly important part of the game, so we continue to show them.
The structure was slowed down to allow more time for deep play, but ultimately most tourneys are going to end with some push fold play.
As for doing this with cash games, we aren't ignoring the people who are calling for it, but the logistics are more complicated.
For a tourney, a 10 player free roll with a $10k prize pool is +ev no matter who the other 9 players are.
For a cash game, it is trickier to create an incentive structure that benefits all the players without it being cost prohibitive.
It was very much a team effort, and we certainly appreciate both the praise and criticisms.
Nice video. I liked how SamSquid played at this video part, he made very accurate range estimations during the game.
Agreed. Sam has killed it this series in analysis and entertainment value. I wish he could at least guest-star in all vids.
Shucks!
On David's shove at 31:26, Sam saying he's calling with A8 sounded light to me. Ran it thru ICMIZER and says Sam should be getting in there with 66+, A9s+, ATo, KQs. Thoughts?
I dont have any form of icmizer program on this laptop Im using but I do play a fair share of sngs and study icm loads, the KQo shove at very last hand seems spewy from an icm POV w 2 guys (out of 5 in a 3 paid structure) on 10 bbs or lower, feels to me dylan needs to be raise folding a lot, which IMO is probably not a good approach to take in his shoes given the reshove stacks (I tend to think its hard for dylan to find raise folds there when sb has 9 bbs, bb has 14 and co has 20, *tough to find hands hes willing to call off sam with but not david with, therefore people are somewhat handcuffed to open wide there) also, chipleader (or close-to) on the button whos very likely to play back at us and apply pressure. therefore, in game, i would assume dylans raise folding frequency there isnt high enough to justify a shove there w icm regards (having seen villain do it once prior to that doesnt feel enough to me) and id make a tight fold, its not a bad hand in terms of blockers, and we flip vs 99-JJ (given the situation that doesnt seem appealing) but were smashed by AQ-AK. A few orbits ago, it seemed more attractive for dylan to open wide, but that specific hand, not rly. dylan says it himself :: i expect sam to shove here really light, and setherson to play back at me a lot :: , so to me its a spot where id probly open quite strong or strong blockers obviously but i wouldnt do much raise folding in this scenario. The orbit before, dylan opened w a6o which i agree w given ace blocker, and also both blinds had 12-13 bbs which means we can actually fold to them given how strong their reshove range should be) Maybe im wrong and this is too top heavy to be so cautious?
20bb jams at FTs seem to be becoming more prominent with surprisingly wide ranges. What's the concept/math behind the disparity between jamming for 15bb or 20bb.
For arguments sake let's say we are the effective stack @ 21bb.
Would 3 to 5b cram on setherson if he 3bets us @ 24:00 be an ok play or we need more like 77s with 66s being boarderline?
32:45, imalucsac opens 99, str8homey flats. board comes 8 T 8. homey check folds. now my question is if lucsac would call homeys check jam on that flop with 99. and what is the whole range that lucsac would call the check-jam
32:55 lucsac opens TT and sam jams his KQ and says he cant flat it 20bb deep. im thinking why cant u flat? i understand that setherson can put tons of pressure on sam and lucsac by 3-betting. but if sam jams then he is not gonna get value from lucsac worse Kx and Qx hands.
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