ProView: Zach Reviews SkeletonJar at $500 PLO Zoom (part 2)
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@13:30 we have AK25dd on Ah5h6d btn v bb in a 3b pot, you say against (I assume you mean people who 3b a stronger value range) more polar players calling vs the bb cbet becomes better because they will barrel off more. I know this situation is different bc we start only 50bb deep, but is your comment in reference to full 100bb play? How deep would we have to be for call>jam vs the tighter players you are mentioning, and are we calling flop with this hand (vs those players) to only gii on bricks to the high wrap & flush draw? such as 2,3,T,J,Q,K non-heart
Thanks in advance
Yes my comment is in reference to approx 100bb+ play. It applies to any stack depth that raising for protection is less beneficial than the downside of getting in remaining stacks very far behind.
As for how deep we would have to be; its tough to answer because it depends so much on variables like, his 3bet range composition, his cbet tendencies, the equity of his bet/folds, etc.
Regarding which turns we get it in on, that's again difficult to give an exact answer vs our fictitious "tight 3bettor" becasue it depends on the same variables.
However, these are some factors to keep in mind:
1)If he is only 3betting premium broadway rundowns like AKQJ, and flatting stuff like AKJ4 then we wont be getting value from his worse AXXX much given its reduced appearance rate in his 3b range.
2)Hands like KK98s with our w/o FD may likely opt to xc flop so we wont be gaining protection by getting those hands to fold.
3)More polar 3b range will likely translate to a more polar cbet range. So on A65hh he will have some hands like QJ98 no FD, which we hope he barrels turn with and very well might on blanks. In contrast, vs the hands that are not folding to a raise we wont be pushing as much of an equity edge if any. Hands like AAxx, 789J, AXXX:hh, 8866ss.
Simple answer is Yes, on blanks we will likely raise assuming we are at a depth such that winning the pot becomes higher priority than protecting our stack. We are calling flop to keep his weakest hands in.
@24:00 sorry I'm going to reveal my fishness by asking this, but why is villain's cbet in a 3b pot sizing of 70/112 good for him if his 3b range is more polar? are you saying that bc a decent portion of villain's bottom of range rundowns will want a profitable cbet sizing? or some other reason....
sorry and thanks
In reality if he has a polar cbet range he will want even smaller than 70/112 but I was moreso commenting that with a polar range 70/112 >> 112/112.
A polar range implies low equity bluffs and high equity nutty value hands. The low equity bluffs want to risk as little as possible to get the job done and the high equity bluffs want to encourage wider peels and are not concerned about protection.
I'm not one to rag much and I'm a huge fan of your live videos and they've helped my high stakes game leaps and bounds for sure but I think for 'Elite' material (I'm guessing this Elite material and not Essential like your other stuff) this was kinda weak. I think that you have to either do a longer review, 45min-1hr, or you have to specifically go through and have pre determined hands that you break down. There just wasn't enough spots that were discussed and the spots that generally did come up were pretty much beginner level PLO (perhaps too harsh but they weren't particularly challenging spots).
Like I say, usually love your material Zach but just think for $100/pm material these session reviews should be more in depth.
I have no problem with your critique. It's polite and valid.
It was my first of this type "leak finder" and I chose to do this type because I haven't been playing much PLO of late and didn't have any topics in mind to cover.
I'll keep your input in mind.
I liked it!
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