Proview: Tyler reviews EricT87 at $2/$4 NLHE
Posted by Tyler Forrester
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What is this software he's using that tracks the hand ranges live? Isn't that type of stuff against the rules?
Other than that, good video Tyler.
Hi Lusky,
Thank you for compliment! I'm not sure what Bovada's regulations are. If it is against the rules, I apologize. I don't endorse the use of this software.
He is using a program called Hold'em Indicator which most serious players use when playing Bovada. It is just a very stripped down version of a standard HUD, but also has some accompanying nonsense where erroneously tries to compute odds. It doesn't actually track hand ranges and or anything like that and is, to the extend of my knowledge, legal to use.
great video. always look forward to these of yours. at the AK hand at the very beginning of the vid, ones 3b range on the button i assume looks something like TT+, AK, AQ, KQs, and then some hands that are near 0ev in terms of flatting like QJo KTo J9s 98s 87s ATo A2s. (obviously not at 100% frequency, but good to have some mix of hands like these i think)... given this range, (and correct me if you think its bad), AKo without any backdoors seems like a good hand to check back, and betting TT-KK a lot (80%) as well as hands like J9s KTo QJo with backdoor flush draws and checking AA about 50% maybe along with 20% of those TT-KK combos as well as a bunch of AQ/AK without backdoors, and checking 98s 87s type hands about 50% of the time. Prefer checking 98s 87s if they have bd flush draw. Also may be good to check ATo KQs and A2s type hands and potentially use them as a delayed bluff on the turn.
I struggle with those spots sometimes as i feel my hand is face up a bunch so curious if you think thats reasonable way to approach spot. Also, you say if u bet X amount of AK u can be exploited by QJ and stuff, curious how u go about studying these spots and come to those conclusions.
On the 97s hand at 8min, i get that we have 50-60% equity and when we bet we get ourselves up against a stronger range which we have 35% against, but does this apply to all scenarios when we have 50-60% equity? Should we not be betting if he defends properly?
At 11min, won't opponent have a lot of KQ KJ QJ that we do well against? what do u mean really tight? like unless he flats over pairs and doersnt 3b, we have best hand right good amt. JTs is thin bc he can raise thinly for value and add semi bluffs but other then QTs KTs ATs, JJ (all of which are unlikely when we have JT due to blockers), he won't have many thin value raises. He has 99,TT,T9s, 33 sometimes but those value raise all our hands. also what bluffs do you expect? qj/kj?
HI FBB,
Super interesting questions!
@AKo: I think your strategy is strong. If you do think you are being exploited then you could move some weak/strong hands (depending on exploit) and see how they fair. A lot of poker is still moving hands from lower EV spots to high EV spots in your range. And its a good way to test "your hypothesis".
On QJs (rough guess of range) if our range looked like JJ+, AKo, AKs, we have 24 combos of over pairs and 16 combos of bluffs. If they happened to have QJs, we now have 18 combos of nuts and 16 combos of bluffs. Add in some rando combos for us and its a pretty easy bluff raise. You can find these spots quite often if you think about how the size of a value changes based on card removal.
@ 97s betting 50-60% equity hands, Super interesting spot!
3 requirements:
1. Betsizing is small (we need to keep his continuing range wide)
2. Protection matters- we gain alot when he folds his equity
3. Our range > his range : we need a situation where we can auto cbet because otherwise those hands play well as bluff catchers.
This spot is still evolving and involves mixed strategies as we increase betsizes or ranges are equal/behind.
@JTs: He's in the small blind so his range is going to be narrower (stronger). It makes checking especially at 4/5 pot bet, a much more appealing option. I can follow up with more detail.
Thanks for the questions!
really strong responses. definitely interesting about QJs removal and the 97s requirements make a lot of sense. Still, with JTs, his range is strong, but i think a lot of strong hands dont do that great on this board- AJs AQ KQo KJs QJs J9s 98s A9s 77-88 (57 combos after removal) that make up this strong range pre flop dont do very well against our JTs. This is relative to JJ, QTs KTs ATs 99,TT T9s (15 combos after removal) that are part of his strong range pre that do better then us.
Our equity versus that range is 61.05% on Th9h3d and against a reasonable contuining range (which includes him folding all AQ but AhQh, AhQx, AdQd and folding 77-88 and all AJ but AJhh and AJdd), we have 54.21% equity.
Protection is important here, and when we bet, we still are ahead of his contuining range versus our 60-80% pot bet.
I don't see how he can raise us thinner for value with this range (unless he has JJ-AA in his pre flop flatting range, and if thats what u mean by 'strong' ) because if he starts raising QTs-ATs for value, he will value cut himself too much versus our JJ-AA and 33,99,T9s combos.
Tho, i do think that its reasonable to check back JTs given we have hands enuf hands like ATs and over pairs and JTs doesn't get too much value from worse and can protect our checking range, but that didn't seem to be your exact reasoning in the video. And i guess you could argue for the larger sizing (which want to use on they texture) betting JTs is a bit thin, but if you agree with my ranges above (his initial range and then contuining range), then i think he wud definitely continue those combos to a larger 60-80% pot bet (they seem a bit inelastic to bet size, hands like AQ/AJs (with backdoors) Qjs KJs KQo A9s J9s 98s that we beat and he continues with.
Thanks!
Thanks FBB,
Your argument for betting is strong. JTs meets the requirements for a bet on this board (assuming no overpair slowplays). My idea in game was:
JTs makes a good check back because we can't bet the turn again for value. Since we aren't betting the turn for value, we have several options for playing this hand; Bet/check/call, bet/check/bet, bet/check/check, check/check/bet, check/call/call, check/bet/bet or check/bet/check.
At 80% pot bet, we generally need to check a large chunk of our range (50%ish) on the flop. Since some of the strong lines with JTs involve checking the flop and we need to theoretically check large parts of our range on this board texture. It seems reasonable to put JTs most of the time into a check back range to protect the weak hands in our range.
A most solid video.
I really like how you always bring concrete explanations in a way where you can really just hear that they are backed by many thousands of hours of play and analysis. Keep doing what you're doing!
As for video suggestions, using the PioSolver to take a look at some typical high frequency spots that the typical player might be misplaying would be nice to see. But any video is always nice.
Thanks ChurchCat! I'm going to be doing live footage early in the year then switch to some piosolver solutions for later videos. Its a whole new ball game for poker "answers". :)
Do you like Villains play of the 66 hand in the very beginning? Do you prefer a x/r on the flop to protect your current equity - or possibly a river bluff to represent a club once the turn goes x/x?
Thanks for the questions, TheArchivist!
66's play is standard. You could consider bluffing the river, but our value range is going to be small (not a lot of king of clubs in our range), so I think checking is more appropriate.
Flop X/R is spewy -- when called we don't have any equity and don't get called by worse -- and if Eric's range is constructed appropriately flatting > checkraising
mind blown. would love to see more piosolver. thanks for shattering my confidence right before the wsop :)
I feel the same way. These GTO computers are incredible.
I'm watching this in 1080 and on a 24" screen and I'm having much trouble reading the numbers and text especially when you go to the simulation on the check back range.
I'm sorry. I'll fix it for the next piosolver video.
Great video tyler. With the kq hand the gto computer said it had a 17% flop check raise range. What types of hands were included in the 17%?
Everything was heavily mixed. GTO came out as checkraising; 4/5 of flush draws and opened ended straight draws, 3/5 sets, and 1/3 of flopped pairs, gutshots and Ah+Xd.
Steve McCurry - Afghan Girl
Brilliant video. I very much appreciate the hand review format because you can fully explain all the knowledge you have on every spot.
Thanks Cloud!
Hey Tyler,
Found some hidden Bovada footage :D
One of the first hands (Topleft @1:09) A♦K♠ on 8♣3♥4♣ CORFI, BTN(HERO) 3-Bet
Would you be CBing all your BDFD AK? Do you think that would be a good frequency where we wouldent be exploited?
I could see my self checking this spot back allot with all my AK figuring I had good SD value against Ax, Kx, Qx type hands. You do bring up a very good point about protection.
If you checked back here and the turn was a blank Q, how would you proceed?
Thank you
No, because I'd be left wide open when the board ran out two clubs on the turn and river and I checked.
Start by betting some combos of AK to make sure I make him indifferent to calling JJ on the turn and river. Check the rest.
@4:03(top left)
Bottom of range for isolating UTG 18bb stack, from CO?
Awesome job analyzing flop!
Accidentally inducing a GTO strategy from the SSfish..... next level man! :D
For sure, its an exploitative play here with the assumption that shortstack overfolds.
OmG!!!! havent even finished video yet, you are the man......
And I was starting to feel bad about asking to many questions ;D
Going to pile them on!! ( in process of switching bankroll to this site :D)
and I look up too Mr. T87
Thank you! half timing your video now
@ 21:41 You mentioned something about Poker Snowie
Have you used it allot?
And what are you general thoughts about it?
I have messed around with it for a few months, and thought it was all right.
One thing I though it was great for, was practicing hand reading against a some what regular opponent.(using the challenge feature) And each action I would think about what deviation I would make for different subsets of player types.
Also there are a few things I noticed that Snowie started doing before allot of general poker population.
IE Not opening all PP's from EP, Using a smaller preflop bet-sizing....
I tried not to take to much of its advice for gospel, but rather to see what a computer is doing in different spots.
I think its a solid tag. I wouldn't take as the holy grail, but it gives good solid advice.
Thanks Tyler the video was great, really like how you dived into Pio mid review.
Look forward to the next on.
@25:37
After a bunch of recommendations im back to PIO this spot with you :o)
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